翻译：hardstick 校订：hardstick （1985年三月24日）
Doctor. Phil McCombs,Washington Post. 医生。我是来自《华盛顿邮报》的菲尔·麦克库姆。
Thank you. Good to see you. 谢谢你。很高兴你来。
Thank you for taking the time. 感谢你抽空接受采访。
So, when you take them out,you don't see anything? 那么，当你把他们拿出来的时候，你就视而不见吗？
No, you don't see anything. 是的，你就什么都看不见。
I-I-I mean, of all the thousands of second trimester abortions 我，我。我是说，在我做过的成千上万次
that I've done, I mean,maybe I've seen half a dozen. 中期流产手术中，我是说，也许我见过六次。
But didn't it bother you when you did? 但当你这么做的时候，你没有感到内疚吗？
No, not particularly. 没有，没感觉有什么特别的。
It was the end product; 就是中止妊娠；
a lifeless,limp thing lying there. 一个没有生命的、软弱无力的东西躺在那里。
They have a human form. 他们已经有了人形。
Oh, absolutely. 噢，那是当然了。
I-I-I'm sorry.I-I'm a little bit confused. 我，我，很抱歉。我有点糊涂了。
Uh. 呃。
First you said, "All you see is bloody meat." 起初，你还说，“你看到的就是一团血肉。”
Hm-mm. 嗯-嗯。
But now you're saying you always knew it was a person. 但现在，你又说，你一直都知道那是个人。
So Doctor, 那么，医生，
which one is it? 到底哪一个是你想说的？
I didn't know what to say. 我不知道该说什么。
I felt I was caught in a lie. 我觉得自己的谎言被识破了。
So, you have to understand,it was the '70s. 所以，你要明白，那是在70年代。
The women's liberation movement was exploding. 妇女解放运动正在爆发。
Millions of women were taking to the streets, 成千上万的女性走上街头，
and I got swept up in the way. 而我却被卷入其中。
saying now that anything after eight weeks 按照现在的说法，怀孕八周以上，对胎儿做任何事情，
is murder, which I'm all for. 都算是谋杀，我完全赞同这点。
I'm protesting the protesters. 我反对这些抗议者。
Proverbs 14:12. 圣经《箴言14:12》。
"There is a way that seems right unto man, “有一条路，人以为正，
but in the end thereof,the way is death." 到末了，却是死亡。”
Well, sir,I was in the parking lot 先生，我在停车场看到
and I saw some people's signs and I said, 一些人的标语牌，我说，
"What's happening today?"And they said, “今天发生了什么事？”而他们说，
"They're protesting the governor's decision." “他们在抗议州长的决定。”
I don't want a bunch of old white dudes 我不想让一群白人老头
regulating my body. 控制我的身体。
I want us to stand up 我想让我们为那些在
for the innocent lives of children 子宫里就被流产的孩子们的
that are being aborted in the womb, 无辜生命站出来，
and to stop the bloodshed. 制止杀戮事件。
I mean, in proportion,12-year-olds can get abortions 我的意思是，相应的，12岁的孩子可以在公立学校
in public schools and without parental consent. 堕胎而不需要父母的同意。
That's happened in the States. 这在美国就发生过。
In Virginia,if you have a baby, 在弗吉尼亚，如果你有了孩子，
they put it on a table and they ask the parents 他们会把孩子放在桌子上问父母
do you want it to live a lie. 你是否希望孩子生活在谎言中。
My life. 我的生命。
my decision! 我做主！
My life. 我的生命。 （影片源自真实事件）
my decision! 我做主！ （影片源自真实事件）
You have to sacrifice your pawn to save your queen. 你必须牺牲你的小卒来救你的皇后。
It all started in my 20s. 这一切都始于我20多岁的时候。
That's Ruth, my first love. 那是露丝，我的初恋。
See, my family was Jewish 我的家人都是犹太人，
so I tried to get them to warm up to her. 所以我想让他们对她有好感。
But I had a better chance of beating my dad at chess. 但我下棋赢我爸时，我毫不手软。
Check. 将军。
Pawns are the soul of a game. 卒子是棋局的灵魂。
You don't need the queen to win the game. 你不需要女王来赢得比赛。
Checkmate. 将死。
You have to sacrifice for the greater good. 你必须为了大局而牺牲。
How could I have been so stupid. 我怎么这么笨。
Maybe we can get married. 也许我们可以结婚。
No. Not like this. Not yet. 不。不是这样的。还没有。
You do know I love you, right? 你知道我爱你，对吧？
I can't take care of a baby right now. 我现在没法照顾孩子。
Oh, that's what you want. 哦，这就是你想要的。
I can't tell my family about this. 我不能告诉我的家人。
My father won't help. 我父亲不会帮忙的。
What am I going to do,Bernie? 我该怎么办？伯尼。
Honey, it's we, and we're in this together, okay? 亲爱的，这是我们，我们在一起，好吗？
Okay. 好吧。
I would have married her, 我本来想娶她的，
but she didn't want that. 但她不想那样。
So, I gave her $500.That way, nobody had to know. 所以，我给了她500美元。这样，没人会知道。
I never thought I would lose Ruth. 我从没想过我会失去露丝。
I became a doctor 我成为一名医生
to make sure no girl ever had to go through that again. 是为了确保没有女孩，会再次经历那样的事。
I will give no deadly medicine,nor suggest any such counsel; 我不会给致命的药物，也不会建议任何这样的忠告， （麦吉尔大学医学院毕业典礼）
nor give to a woman a pessary to procure an abortion. 也不会给妇女一个子宫托来促成流产。 （麦吉尔大学医学院毕业典礼）
Like most doctors, 和大多数医生一样，
I would violate the Hippocratic oath. 我会违背希波克拉底誓言。
But saving women was all that mattered. 但拯救女性才是最重要的。
I know everyone has their own version of events. 我知道每个人都有自己的看法。
But if you really want to know 但如果你真的想知道
how abortion became legal in our country, 堕胎在我们国家是如何合法化的，
I will tell you the true story 我会告诉你罗伊诉韦德案的
of Roe v. Wade. 真实故事。
1969年一化名为“罗伊”的女性向得州限制堕胎的禁令发起挑战， 声称法令剥夺了她在妊娠中的选择权，她最终不得不将孩子交给了 不知身份的人收养。“韦德”是被告方得州政府的代表。
I wanted to get abortion legalized across the country. 我想让堕胎在全国合法化。
Our master plan to do that 我们的总体计划就是
started right here in New York City. 从纽约开始的。
That's Betty Friedan, 这是贝蒂·弗里丹，
the leader of the women's movement. 妇女运动的领袖。
You see, we needed her gals if we had any chance of winning. 你也知道，如果我们想有获胜的机会，我们需要她的姑娘们帮助。
Ah-ha. Not again.Mrs. Friedan. 啊-哈。不会又来了吧。弗里丹夫人。
The Plaza's Oak Room has a 61-year tradition 广场酒店的橡树园餐厅(Oak Room)有61年的
of men's only lunches. 只允许男性用午餐传统。
Well, well, well. 好吧，好吧，好吧。
If it isn't the world-famous author of The Feminine Mystique, 这不是世界闻名的《女性的奥秘》的作者
Mrs. Betty Friedan. 贝蒂·弗里丹夫人吗。
Mr. Larry Lader. 拉里·雷德先生。
Larry was my best friend. 拉里是我最好的朋友。
He was the father of the abortion movement. 他是堕胎运动的创始人。
And he was also mentored by Margaret Sanger, 他还接受了玛格丽特·桑格的指导，
the founder of Planned Parenthood. 她是计划生育组织的创始人。
Now, here's the ugly truth. 现在，丑陋的事实来了。
Margaret opened clinics in poor Black neighborhoods 玛格丽特在贫穷的黑人社区开设了诊所，
and called it the Negro Project. 并称之为“黑人计划”。
The mass of Negroes,particularly in the South, 广大的黑人，尤其是南方的黑人， （19126年，新泽西州银湖）
still breed carelessly and disastrously. 仍然在草率地、灾难性地繁殖。 （19126年，新泽西州银湖）
The result that the increase among Negroes, 结果是，黑人的增长
more than among whites, 超过了白人，
is that portion of the population 这部分人口的
least intelligent and fit. 智力和健康水平都是最低的。
Her goal was to reduce 她的目标是
the Black population, 通过节育或绝育来
either through birth control or sterilization. 减少黑人人口。
She literally wanted to stop Black people 她真的是想阻止黑人
from having babies altogether. 生育孩子。
And Larry continued her work by launching an organization 拉里继续她的工作，发起了一个
to legalize abortion, 让堕胎合法化的组织，
and wrote the first nationwide book on the topic. 并写了第一本关于这个话题的全国性书籍。
Have you happened to read my book? 你读过我的书吗？
Did you prance over here 你大摇大摆地走过来
to have me fawn over your vanity project? 让我为你的虚荣计划拍马屁吗
Cyril here works for the ACLU. 西里尔为“美国公民自由联盟”工作。
We can have him sue the Plaza if you like. 如果你愿意，我们可以让他起诉广场酒店。
A girl should not expect special privileges 一个女孩不应该指望享有特殊许可，
because of her sex, 就因为她的性别，
but neither should she adjust to prejudice or discrimination. 但她也不应该容忍偏见或歧视。
I-I'm Bernard. 我，我叫伯纳德。
An obstetrician officially, 一名正式的妇产科医师，
until they get the laws repealed. 直到他们通过法律废止我的行医资格。
Cyril is also the lead counsel 西里尔也是计划生育组织的
for Planned Parenthood. 首席顾问。
So, why are you boys so worked up about abortion? 那么，你们这帮大男生为什么对堕胎这么激动？
Well,Cyril is gonna head legal, 西里尔负责法务，
Bernie, medical. 伯尼负责医疗。
I would like him to open up a clinic. 我想让他开个诊所。
Larry, listen,I've told you a million times. 听着，拉里，我都跟你说了无数次了。
I'm not gonna ruin my reputation over this. 我不会因为这件事毁了我的名声。
The women need your help. 妇女们需要你的帮助。
Opening a clinic will land him in hot water 开诊所会让他陷入困境，
like Vuitch. 就像Vuitch非法诊所堕胎案。
Exactly. And I'm much better to you out of jail. 没错。我不去蹲监狱，会对你更有帮助。
A bunch of disorganized men 就你们这帮头脑混乱的男人，
are gonna rid this country of abortion restriction? 想废除这个国家关于堕胎的禁令吗？
No, no, no.We're not disorganized, okay. 不，不，我们的头脑可不混乱，对吧。
- If Bernie...- We're looking for —如果伯尼...—我们在找
a pregnant girl to challenge the abortion laws. 一个怀孕的女孩来挑战这项法律。
If New York falls,the country falls. 如果纽约被我们攻克了，全国就会被拿下。
If that doesn't work,we'll lobby the legislature. 如果这还不行，我们就游说立法机关。
I guess I can provide medical research 我想，我们可以用医学研究成果
to prove our opinion. 来证明我们的观点。
We wanna rally behind the women's movement 我们想公开支持女权运动，
to get the TV media on board. 让电视媒体也参与进来。
So that's why you need me. 所以，这就是为什么你们需要我。
We need to continue Margaret Sanger's work. 我们得继续玛格丽特·桑格的工作。
Oh, well. 噢，好啊。
Thank you so much for this explanation. 非常感谢你的解释。
But abortion is really not our focus. 但是堕胎并不是我们关注的焦点。
You're gonna regret it 当你看到
when you see Gloria Steinem and Bella Abzug 女明星格洛丽亚·斯泰纳姆和女议员贝拉·艾布扎格
hopping on board and everybody else. 以及其他人加入时，你会后悔的。
You're our first choice. 你是我们的首选。
Yeah? Why? 是吗？为什么？
Because you're the best. 因为你是最棒的。
Betty came on board 贝蒂被我们说动了，
and brought her core of feminists. 并带来她的女权运动的核心成员。
We all launched NARAL together, 我们一起创立了“NARAL”，
the National Association to Repeal Abortion Laws. 即“全国反对禁止堕胎法律联合会”。
Did I tell you? 我是不是跟你说过？
Did I tell you? 我跟你所过了吗？
Looks like I started a revolution. 看来我发起了一场革命。
I mean... I told you,you should open a clinic. 我的意思是……我告诉过你，你应该开个诊所。
Well, you know, you're probably right about the clinic. 好吧，关于开诊所的事儿，你可能是对的。
But listen, I-I gotta look after Adele and Joey, so. 但是，听好了，我-我得照顾好阿黛拉和乔伊，所以。
Are you not seeing this? 你没看到这些吗？
Yeah, but do you really think 是的，但是你真的认为
we should go for full repeal? 我们会全面废止禁令吗？
I say we go for abortion on demand! 听我说，我们要按照需要来堕胎！
Yeah. 好哇。
Listen, come on. We don't need to get greedy. 悠着点吧。我们不需要太贪心。
Can't we just do this for health or if a woman gets raped? 难道我们就不能，只为了孕妇健康或者只为了被强奸的女人，而这么做吗？
You know, wouldn't it just be better for that? 你知道，这样做不是更好吗？
We don't need to go for abortion on demand. 我们不要苛求，按照需要去堕胎。
No, no, no. 不，不，不。
We have to go for the full enchilada. 我们得有始有终。
Otherwise, we'll get nothing. 否则，我们就什么都得不到。
Cyril's correct. 西里尔是对的。
We can't turn a woman's body into a business negotiation. 我们不能把女人的身体变成商业谈判的筹码。
You just won a fabulous trip to London. 你赢得了去伦敦的绝佳旅行。
It's worth over $1,000. Congratulations, sir. 它价值超过1000美元。祝贺你,先生。
Your dinner's in the oven,if you wanna heat it up. 你的晚餐在烤箱里，如果你想热一下的话。
Thank you, sweetheart. 谢谢你,亲爱的。
Like always! 一如既往！
Oh, come on, not again. 噢，拜托，别又来了。
Eighteen-hour days? 一天工作18小时？
What's her name? 她叫什么名字？
Betty Friedan. 贝蒂.弗里丹。
Come on, you can't take a joke? 行了吧，你就不能开个玩笑吗？
What you do isn't funny. 这有什么好笑的。
I don't understand. A woman doesn't support women's rights? 我就不明白了。为什么你这个女人不支持其他女人的权利？
I mean, you should see what they go through. 我是说，你应该看看她们都经历了什么。
Then go be with them. 那就去和她们在一起。
Women are dying.I'm saving lives. 她们是垂死的女人。我是来拯救她们的。
I just miss you, that's all. 我只是想你，仅此而已。
Okay, you win. 好吧，你赢了。
The New York State Senate today passed one of the nation's 纽约州参议院，今天通过了在全国范围内，
most sweeping abortion control bills. 的堕胎禁令中，一项最彻底的撤除法案。
Aggregates and enemies of the bill 在这个情绪化的议题上，法案的支持者和反对者
brought tremendous pressures to bear on legislators 给立法者带来了巨大的压力。
on the emotional issue, 昨天晚些时候，
and the drama was summed up late yesterday 在州议会上，
in the State Assembly 发生了一个戏剧性事件。
when one man's vote made the difference. 一个人的投票改变了一切。
As New York's Assembly passed a bill 由于纽约议会通过了一项撤除法案，
legalizing abortions for any reason, 允许任何原因的堕胎，都将合法化，
up to the 24th week of a pregnancy, 怀孕24周以内，
the decision to be made between a woman and her physician. 由孕妇和她的医生之间必须做出决定。
But then it became apparent that the bill would fail 但后来很明显，除非改变一票，
unless one vote was changed. 否则该法案将会失败。
But I cannot, in good conscience, 但是，凭良心说，我不能
stand here and thwart the obvious majority of this House. 站在这里阻挠州议会的明显多数。
I therefore request you,Mr. Speaker, 因此，我请求你。议长先生，
to change my negative vote to an affirmative vote. 将我的反对票改为赞成票。
Completely devastated, 彻底绝望的
the pro-life senator, Earl Brydges, 反堕胎的州参议员厄尔·布里奇斯
read the Diary of the Unborn. 读了《未出生者的日记》。
"My parents don't know it yet, “我的父母还不知道，
"I'm as small as the seed of an apple. “我像苹果的种子一样小。
"But it's me already. “但这已经就是我了。
"I'm to be a girl. “我要成为一名女孩。
"I shall have blonde hair and blue eyes. “我将有一头金发和一双蓝眼睛。
"October 19th. “十月19日。
"Some say I'm not a real person yet, “有人说我还不是一个”真正人“的存在，
"that only my mother exists. “只有我母亲的存在。
"But I am a real person. “但我是一个真实的人。
"December 13th. “十二月13日。
"I'm just about able to see. “我马上就能看见了。
"It's-it's dark around me. “现在，现在周围还是黑暗。
"But what I want more than anything. “但是，我最想要的是。
"is to see my mommy. “去看看我的妈妈。
"December 24th. “十二月24日。
"I wonder if mommy. “我想知道，如果妈妈。
"hears the whispering of my heart. “听见了我的心的低语。
"It beats so evenly. “它跳动得很均匀。
"October 28th... December 28th. “从十月28日...到十二月28日。
Today my mommy killed me." 今天，我的妈妈杀了我。”
The win shocked our opposition. 胜利震惊了我们的反对派。
I mean, no one thought we would get abortion 我是说，没人想到我们会在纽约
legalized in New York. 让堕胎合法化。
Especially since the Catholics controlled everything there. 尤其是天主教徒控制了那里的一切。
How does Rockefeller appoint Cyril Means 洛克菲勒州长是如何任命“不择手段的西里尔”
to head this committee? 来领导这个委员会的?
It's a conflict of interest. 这是利益冲突。
He works for Planned Parenthood. 他为“计划生育组织”工作。
Politicians are now playing God, 政客们现在扮演着上帝的角色，
deciding on who has the right to live and to die. 决定着谁有生或死的权利。
This is Dr. Mildred Jefferson,she is the first, 这是米尔德丽德·杰斐逊博士，她是第一个…
uh, woman to graduate... 呃，妇女毕业生...
What he's trying to say is 他想说的是
I am the first Negro woman to graduate Harvard Medical. 我是第一个从哈佛医学院毕业的黑人女性。
Ellen,I run a pro-life women's group. 艾伦，我是反堕胎妇女组织的负责人。
We, ah, tried to fight this in Albany. 我们，呃，在州府奥尔巴尼，就试着阻止它发生了。
Feminism is destructive. 那些女权主义者是具有破坏性的。
I have no philosophical 我对此没有任何哲学上的
or intellectual appreciation for it. 或理智上的赞同。
Oh, we're not feminists. 哦，我们可不是女权主义者。
And they used to be against abortion. 他们曾经反对堕胎。
It's not about women's rights either. 这也与女性权利无关。
Would you like to head up 你愿意参与领导
a right to life group that I'm starting? 我发起的生命权利组织吗？
I could write a few letters. 我可以写几封信。
There's more that needs to be done. 这里还有很多事情要做。
I could attend some rallies. 我可以参加一些集会。
Really? That's it? 真的？就这些吗？
This will be the National Right to Life Committee. 这可是“国家生命权利委员会”啊。
Father, I am still completing my residency 神父，我在波士顿大学的住院医师实习期
at Boston University. 还没结束。
I will not give them any more excuses. 我不想再给医院方任何借口了。
I never heard Rosa Parks give excuses. 我从没听过罗莎·帕克斯会找借口。
罗莎·帕克斯(1913年2月4日-2005年10月24日)是一位美国黑人民权行动主义者， 美国国会后来称她为"现代民权运动之母"。她的塑像安置在国会大厦中， 表明了她在美国历史缔造者中的位置。
I'm sorry about Ellen,all right. 艾伦的事我很抱歉。
She's from Long Island. 她来自长岛。
I will not be used for the color of my skin. 我不会因为肤色而被利用。
I do what I do on principle,like Don Quixote. 我本着自己的原则，就像堂吉诃德一样。
Look, first they came after the Jews, 听着，他们先是追杀犹太人，
but we weren't Jewish,so we didn't say anything. 但我们不是犹太人，所以我们什么都没说。
And then they came after the mentally deficient. 然后他们又盯上了智力缺陷的人。
But we weren't deficient so we did nothing. 但我们没有缺陷，所以我们什么都不做。
And now they're comin' after the unborn. 现在他们冲着未出生的孩子来。
and so you're gonna do nothing? 而你还是什么都不做?
That's a low blow. 那是低劣的暴行。
No one is coming for the unborn. 没有人会冲着未出生的孩子来的。
This is akin to slavery,and you know the topic. 这类似于奴隶制，你们知道这个话题。
Because I'm Black? 就因为我是黑人？
Yes. 是的。
This can't come to you as a shock. 你不该对此感到意外。
Dr. Haven, 哈文医生，
perhaps the board could consider... 也许医院董事会可以考虑……
The decision has been made. 决定已经做出了
I've been in medicine for 20 years. 我都从医20年了。
Dr. McConnell will be our new chief resident, 麦康奈尔医生将成为我们的新总住院医师，
and that's final. 这是最后决定。
You've chosen Dr. McConnell. 你们选择了麦康奈尔医生。
The man can barely get through an appendectomy. 这个人也就勉强能做切除阑尾手术。
He's a fine doctor. 他是个好医生。
This position is way too precious 这个职位太宝贵了，
to be wasted on a woman. 不能浪费在女人身上。
I'll get it. 我去开门。
Professor Robert Byrn. 罗伯特.伯恩教授。
Father McHugh said you were gonna call. 麦克休神父说你会打电话的。
There is not much time, 时间不多了，
and Jim said you wanted to help out. 吉姆说你想帮忙。
Well, supposedly 据说
you're the best constitutional mind he knows. 你是他认识的最具宪法精神的人。
The only one he knows. 他所认识的人中的唯一。
"Any society that's willing to give up a little liberty “任何一个愿意放弃一点自由
to gain a little security 来获得一点安全的社会
will deserve neither and lose both." 都不值得拥有，而且会同时失去两者。”
Benjamin Franklin. 本杰明·富兰克林。
Susan B. Anthony said about abortion, 苏珊·b·安东尼对堕胎的看法， （19世纪末著名的争取美国妇女投票权运动领袖）
"Awful guilty is the woman who commits the deed." “犯下这种行为的女人有罪。”
No one will be passing a law to kill the unborn. 没有人会让杀死未出生婴儿的法律得到通过。
Our foundations are built on natural law. 我们的基础是建立在自然法之上的。
Are you sure about that? 你确定吗?
People can't humanize what they can't see. 人们无法将他们看不到的东西，赋予人性化。
Physicians need to balance the discussion. 医生们需要探讨平衡点。
But in order to win, 但为了获胜，
we need to take God out of the argument. 我们需要在争论中借助上帝。
Nathanson's clinics are performing 内桑森的诊所每周
a thousand abortions per week. 有上千例堕胎手术。
Nathanson? 内桑森？
Dr. Bernard Nathanson,the obstetrician. 伯纳德·内桑森医生，产科医生。
The self-proclaimed savior of women. 他自称是女性的救世主。
Sounds more like an abortionist than a doctor. 听起来更像是堕胎专家而不是医生。
The Abortion King,they call him. 他们称他为堕胎王。
That's why I'm sacrificing my time and taking up the fight. 这就是为什么我要牺牲我的时间来抗争。
I'm a woman.You have choices. 我是一个女人。你要好好选择。
I understand. 我理解。
You need to take care of your children. 你得照顾好你的孩子。
No, we don't have any children. 不，我们没有孩子。
We tried. 我们试过。
纽约，圣帕特里克大教堂
So glad you're here. 很高兴你来这里。
Look at this.Have you seen that? 看看这个。你读过了吗？
"An unmarried Catholic law professor." “未婚的天主教法学教授。”
Now, Larry's strategy 现在，拉里的策略是
was to always vilify the Catholics. 总是诋毁天主教徒。
So, every time we leaked a story, 所以，每次我们发布报道，
we made sure the writer identified the bad guys 我们都要确保作者明确指出，谁是坏家伙，
specifically as Catholics. 尤其是天主教徒。
I'm always described that way. 我总是被这样描述。
You never see them identify Betty Friedan "a married Jew," 你永远不会看到他们把贝蒂·弗里丹说成是“已婚犹太人”，
but us, always "a Catholic." 但我们永远是“一名天主教徒”。
Could be worse. 可能还有更恶毒的称呼。
Come on. 走吧。
We're gonna go in here and over to the left. 我们要进去后从左边走。
Where are the graves? 哪里有墓穴，
Where are the names carved in stone? 哪里有刻在石头里的名字，
Where do we go to pray? 我们在哪里祈祷！
I don't know, Father. 神父，我不知道别的。
But I do know that they will never stop 但我知道，他们永远不会停止
the religious persecution. 对宗教的迫害。
Preaching on Sundays isn't saving babies. 礼拜天的布道拯救不了婴儿们。
"The fate of unborn millions will now depend, “在上帝的庇佑下，未来数百万未出生人的命运
under God,on the courage of this army." 将取决于这支军队的勇气。”
George Washington. 乔治.华盛顿。
We need to take God out of the argument. 在这场争论中，我们需要借助上帝。
Your father was a minister. 你父亲是个牧师。
Yes. 是的。
Life begins at conception. 生命从受孕开始。
As a physician, I know this. 作为一名医生，我知道这一点。
And so does the Scraper. “刮宫板”也是知道这点的。
The Scraper? 什么刮板？
That's what they call Dr. Nathanson. 他们给内桑森医生起的绰号。
I'm in. 我加入。
I'll have someone from the Right to Life office 我会让“生命权利组织办公室”的人
get it up and running until you can take over. 把这里布置妥当，以便让你来接手掌管。
God bless you. 上帝保佑你。
You know,it's cheaper to abort a baby 你知道，打掉一个孩子比靠福利
than it is to keep it on welfare. 养活孩子要便宜得多。
Now that it's in the courts, 既然已经上了法庭，
the interests of the baby will be taken into consideration. 孩子的利益就会被考虑在内。
And now that it is legal in New York, 现在这在纽约是合法的，
Larry really wants me to open up a clinic. 拉里很想让我开个诊所。
Does he want to pay our mortgage? 他想帮我们付房贷吗？
Larry was right, 拉里是对的，
and from this point forward, 从那时起，
we were able to carry out over 70,000 abortions 在我的职业生涯中，我们做了7万多次人流手术，
throughout my career,making over $20 million. 赚了2000多万美元。
Maybe this is worth your reputation. 也许这配得上你的声望。
I guess they could use your help. 我想他们需要你的帮助。
If you're gonna do this, 如果你要这么做，
I need you to do one thing for me. 我需要你为我做一件事。
Tell me. 告诉我。
Win! 去赢！
Now that my business was booming, 现在我的生意兴隆，
I didn't have enough hours in the day 我没有足够的时间
to take care of all the girls who wanted abortions. 来照顾所有那些想要堕胎的女孩。
So, we had to go to London to learn a faster procedure. 所以，我们必须去伦敦学习更快的手术。
Uh, today, I'll be performing 32 procedures. 今天，我要做32个手术。
Thirty-two in one day?Impressive. 一天做32台，真厉害。
Yeah,it's much more civilized now. 是啊，现在文明多了。
What is that machine there used for? 那台机器是做什么用的?
Well, this is a suction machine. 这是负压吸引机。
The procedure is called suction curettage. 这过程称为刮宫抽吸术。
With this, I can perform an abortion in three minutes. 有了这个，我可以在三分钟内做人流手术。
That's impossible.You can't do that. 这是不可能的。你不能这么做。
You can thank the Chinese for this. 你可以为此感谢中国人的发明创造。
This and firecrackers. 除了这机器，还有那鞭炮。
Up until how many months can you use this machine? 当你能使用这台机器时，孕妇怀孕不能超过多少个月？
Four and a half, 四个半月，
no problem. 没问题。
Dilation and evacuation up to six and a half, 如果光是扩张和排空，可延到达六个半月，
but some doctors even more than that. 但有些医生甚至在更迟的时候。
Now, if you're looking for a nice shirt 现在，如果你在伦敦想找一件
while you're in London, 漂亮的衬衫，
I can recommend MacCulloch & Wallis. 我可以向你推荐麦卡洛克&沃利斯牌。
They get the cut just right.It is your body after all. 他们剪得恰到好处。毕竟这是你的身体。
One thing to be careful of though is, 不过要注意的一点是，
their guy is a little clumsy with the needle, 他们的人用针的时候有点笨，
but who cares if it stings a bit, hmm? 但谁会在乎会不会有点疼呢?
Ah, suction machine, please? 啊，请给我抽吸机？
You got it. 给你。
The fetus is quartered. 胎儿被分为四等份。 （纽约，计生组织总部）
The torso disemboweled. 取出躯干。 （纽约，计生组织总部）
The head is then crushed and extracted in parts. 然后将头部碾碎，分成几部分取出。
Then the placenta is scraped off the womb. 然后把胎盘从子宫里刮下来。
The last step of dilation and evacuation is, 扩张和引流的最后一步是，
you must reconstruct the fetus 你必须重拼一下胎儿，
to make sure all the vital parts have been removed. 确保所有重要部位都被切除了。
Thank you. 谢谢你们。
Look, if you follow the New York model, 听着，如果你们按照纽约的模式，
you're gonna be able to maximize patients. Okay? 那你们将会达到病人的最大值，明白了吗？
If you need any help... 如果你们需要任何帮助...
We have regional centers. 我们在各地有服务中心。
Planned Parenthood has centers all over the country. “计划生育组织”在全国各地设有服务中心。
Yeah. 是的。
Thank you, gentlemen. 谢谢你们，先生们。
We found a girl in Texas. 我们在得克萨斯州找到了一个女孩。
Our gal at Planned Parenthood Dallas, Ginny Whitehill, 是我们“计生组织”在达拉斯中心的女工作人员，金妮.怀特希尔发现的，
organized the whole thing. 已经组织好了一切事宜。
Did you get a lawyer in Texas, too? 那你们在德州也有律师吗？
A woman, and this is where it gets good. 一个女人，这就是良好的开端。
Ginny found the perfect one. 金尼找到了一个完美的对象。
No. 不会吧。
Young, inexperienced,and in need of guidance. 年轻，无经验，而且需要指导。
And it gets better. 还有更好的。
She works for us. 她替我们工作。
What are you talking about? 你能说明白些吗？
For Planned Parenthood. 为“计生组织”办事。
No. 不会吧。
She even volunteers for your group, NOW. 她现在，还自愿加入了你们的组织。
得克萨斯州，达拉斯，“计生组织”办公室
Henry's a civil rights lawyer but he does adoptions, too. 亨利是民权律师，但他也负责收养。
That's how we found the girl. 这就是我们找到这名女孩的原因。
Norma McCorvey.She's perfect. 诺玛·麦考维。她是理想人选。
She was a runaway, 她是个离家出走的，
she became an alcoholic, 她成了一名酗酒者，
a drug addict, a lesbian. 染上了毒瘾，还是同性恋。
She has a criminal record and a ninth-grade education. 她有过犯罪记录，只上过九年级。
She is just what you're looking for. 她正是你们要找的人。
Ginny, this is great. 金妮，太棒了。
We need to legalize this across the country in one swoop. 我们需要在全国范围内一举使其合法化。
Fighting state by state will take forever. 一个州接一个州的战斗要花很长时间。
And the lawyers? 请律师了吗？
Linda Coffee and Sarah Weddington. 琳达·科菲和莎拉·韦丁顿。
Henry McCluskey was the guy 亨利·麦克劳斯基
who not only found the pregnant girl, 不仅找到了怀孕的女孩，
but the lawyers, too. 还找到了律师。
They are super excited. 他们都异常兴奋。
Plus. 另外。
they desperately needed a job. 他们迫切需要一份工作。
Planned Parenthood 计生组织
needed Texas lawyers they could control. 需要它们能控制的在得州的律师。
And they wanted women. 而且，他们需要女律师。
Sarah and Linda couldn't get hired anywhere else. 莎拉和琳达在其他地方都找不到工作。
They were the perfect pawns. 她俩是完美的棋子。
You're gonna make a constitutional claim. 你们要进行具有宪法性的申诉。
How are we gonna do that? 我们要怎么做呢？
Between Planned Parenthood,NARAL, and NOW, 现在，在“计生组织”和“全国废止流产禁令联合会”之间，
you got a lot of help. 你们会得到很多帮助，
And Norma's background? 那诺玛的背景呢？
Are we worried that's gonna affect the case? 我们担心这会影响案子吗?
We'll give her a pseudonym.Call her Jane Roe. 我们给她一个假名。叫她简·罗伊。
Calling Norma Jane Roe, 管诺玛叫作简.罗伊，
made sure our opponents would never be able to 确保我们的对手永远无法
find out who she was;never be able to question her, 发现她是谁，永远无法质疑她，
and never, ever be able to find out the truth. 永远无法发现真相。
That's genius. 这是天才的想法。
That way, no one will ever know about her past. 这样，就不会有人知道她的过去。
I'll oversee the case. 我来监督这个案子。
I'll bring in Harriet Pilpel from Planned Parenthood. 我去叫“计划生育组织”的哈里特·皮尔尔来。
She's the country's top constitutional expert. 她是全国顶尖的宪法专家。
This is going to the Supreme Court? 这事要上最高法院吗？
We'll make sure of it. 我们当然想这么干。
But, I-I've never even tried a case. 但我从没经手过一个案子。
Don't worry, we have. 别着急，我们有过。
Larry liked to go to St. Croix. 拉里喜欢去圣克罗伊。
He called them working vacations. 他称之为工作度假。
Okay, Bernie. 好吧，伯尼。
He said that's where 他说那是
he got his best ideas. 他最好的灵感来源。
- This time, I went with him.- Look, they do need us. —这次，我和他一起去了。—听着，她们需要我们指导。
We were going to celebrate 我们就一起去庆贺
- winning New York.- Here's the strategy, okay. —我们在纽约州的胜利。—策略是这样的。
First, we have to get the media on our side. 首先，我们得让媒体站在我们这边。
That's a good idea, okay. 这是个好主意。
Second,they need to know 第二，让他们知道，
there's no life at conception. 这里面没有生命的概念。
Yeah, but I'm not really sure that's accurate. 是的，但我不确定这是否准确。
Well, you're a doctor. 你可是一名医生啊。
We're gonna need testimonials. 我们需要专家的证言。
What about what the other experts say? 那其他专家会怎么说呢？
We'll make sure no one's gonna hear what they have to say. 我们会确保没人听到他们想说什么。
I couldn't believe what he just said. 我简直不敢相信他刚才说的话。
Larry wanted me to bury the truth. 拉里想让我隐瞒真相。
I was really conflicted but.I went along with it anyway. 我真的很矛盾，但是。但我还是同意了。
Right? Listen. 我说的对吗？接着听下去。
Most important, every revolution needs a villain, okay? 最重要的是，每次革命都需要一个恶棍，对吧？
Whether it's a dictator or a king. 不管他是独裁者还是国王。
People need to see a face,something to rebel against. 人们需要看到一张脸，一些可以反抗的东西。
It's easier for them to perceive. 这对人民来说，更容易理解。
We need to narrow the focus,okay, 我们得缩小范围，好吗？
identify it with a person 将它与一个人
or a small group of shadowy,powerful people. 或一小群神秘而有权势的人联系起来。
Don't you see? 你不明白吗？
In our country there's been one group associated with 在我们国家，有一个团体是与
reactionary politics, 反动政治、
behind-the-scenes manipulations, 幕后操纵和
and backward ideas. 落后思想联系在一起的。
Wait, not the Catholics again? 等等，不会又是天主教会吧？
Oh, well.What did I really care? 哦,好吧。什么是我真正在乎的？
I mean, although my parents were Jewish, 虽然我父母是犹太人
I was more of an atheist. 我更像是一个无神论者。
Of course, the Catholics.Yes! 当然，就是天主教。就是他们！
Norma. 诺玛。
good to see you again. 很高兴再次见到你。
Come here. 到这儿来。
This is Sarah. 这位是萨拉。
So, you're seeking an abortion? 所以，你想要堕胎？
Yeah, you know where I can get one? 是啊，你知道我在哪里做掉呢？
I'm so sorry, I do not. 很抱歉，我不知道。
How about an illegal one? 那非法的呢？
No! 没有！
Okay, well, Sarah did know 不过，莎拉确实知道
where to get an illegal one. 去哪儿找个非法的诊所。
She had one in Mexico. 她自己就在墨西哥做掉过。
But we needed them to say whatever it took 但我们需要她们不惜一切手段，
to get her to come on board. 让诺玛上进我们的船。
It was for the greater good.This was lie number one. 这是为了大局着想。这是第一个谎言。
Why the heck not? 为什么不行呢？
Because it's dangerous. 因为这很危险。
What am I even doing here then? 那我还在这里干什么？
Mr. McCluskey said I could trust y'all. 麦克劳斯基先生说我可以信任你们。
He's great. 他是对的。
We'll still consult with McCluskey, okay? 我们还是会咨询麦克劳斯基的，知道吗？
I can't be having no baby, okay? 我不能再要孩子了，晓得伐？
I got no job, no husband,no home. 我没有工作，没有丈夫，没有家。
You don't wanna to put your child up for adoption? 你不会想让别人收养你的孩子吗？
No, I can't go through that again. 不，我不能再经历一次了。
Thank you. 谢谢你。
How did you become pregnant in the first place? 你最初是怎么怀孕的
Can I? 我能先吃块吗？
Norma, if we are gonna represent you, 诺玛，如果我们要为你辩护，
we need to know everything. 我们需要知道一切。
Did anything bad happen? 有什么不好的事情发生了吗？
I was, uhm, raped. 我是，嗯，被强奸了。
Norma may have been suicidal, 诺玛可能有自杀倾向，
but she admitted years later,she lied about being raped. 但多年后她承认，她在被强奸一事上撒谎了。
Raped? 被强奸？
I'm so sorry. 我很抱歉。
No woman should ever have to give birth 任何女人都不应该生下
to her attacker's child. 侵犯她的那个男人的孩子。
Hmm, is the case gonna be over in enough time? 这个案子能在足够短的时间内结束吗？
That's why I'm doing this. 这就是为什么，我要来打这场官司。
Yes, of course. 是的，当然能结束。
Lie number two. 谎言二。
We will do our best to win. 我们将尽最大努力争取胜利。
So, what happens during an abortion? 那么，在堕胎过程中会发生什么？
Does the baby go back? 难道让宝宝自己回去吗？
Like when John Wayne aborts a mission? 就像约翰·韦恩放弃了一项任务？
Well, there is no baby. 好吧，现在还没有一个宝宝呢。
And ladies and gentlemen, 那么，女士们，先生们，
lie number three. 谎言三。
It's like removing a piece of tissue. 就像切除一块组织。
The baby comes later, Norma. 宝宝以后还能再生一个，诺玛。
Much later. 不会马上。
Like passing a period. 要过一段时间。
So, y'all got a lot of experience with this. 你们在这方面很有经验。
We're going to file in Dallas. 我们要去达拉斯申请。
But I live in Houston. 但我住在休斯顿。
I know, but I clerked for Judge Hughes in Dallas 我知道，但我在达拉斯是休斯法官的书记员
and I know her position on the topic. 我知道她在这个问题上的立场。
We just need you to read these papers and sign. 我们只需要你阅读这些文件并签字。
And then, we'll just-we'll get everything going. 然后，我们就。我们就把一切文件都准备好。
It's all right.I trust y'all. 这就行了。我相信你们。
Get out! Get out! 出去！出去！
Wait. 等一下。
wait. 等等。
They lied to me. 她们骗了我。
They told me we would have won by now. 她们告诉我，我们现在已经赢了。
Call them!Tell them to get McCluskey! 打电话给她们!叫她们去找麦克劳斯基！
Obviously, 很显然，
the case didn't get to court in time. 案子没有在分娩期内结束。
Ha-ha! Mr. Floyd,welcome to Dallas. 哈哈!弗洛伊德先生，欢迎来到达拉斯。 （亨利.韦德，得克萨斯州达拉斯地方检查官）
- How's the Governor?- He's still reeling —州长怎么样？—他还在为 （亨利.韦德，得克萨斯州达拉斯地方检查官）
over your Lee Harvey Oswald debacle. 你们的李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德事件而纠结。 （肯尼迪总统枪击案达拉斯的凶犯嫌疑人）
Well, he should have appointed me instead of Sarah Hughes. 他应该任命我而不是莎拉·休斯。
You'll want to hear this. 你会想听听这个的。
Two young lawyers just filed... 两个年轻的律师刚刚提出…
Whoop dee doo,goody for them. 嘿嘿，对她们来说，是露脸的机会。
In Judge Hughes' court,and it's about... 在休斯法官的法庭上，这是关于…
Oh, let me guess, abortion! 哦，让我猜猜，堕胎！
You know, that Sarah Hughes, she... 那个莎拉·休斯，她…
anything to get at me. 为了对付我，什么都可以做。
So. 那么。
So, these gals,fresh out of UT Law, 那么说，这些刚从得克萨斯州立大学法学院毕业的姑娘们，
are bringin' an abortion case to Texas. 要给得州带来一桩堕胎案件。
Thank you. I needed a good laugh. 谢谢你！我需要开怀大笑。
You should be worried, Hank! 你应该担心，汉克！
About what? Prissy feminists looking to stir up the pot? 担心什么?小肚鸡肠的女权主义者们想挑起事端吗？
Tolle, come in here.You need to hear this. 托尔，过来。你得听听这个。
They're causing a ruckus all over the country. 他们要在全国引起了骚动。
Any decent lawyer 任何一个称职的律师
can try this case with his eyes closed. 闭着眼睛，都能打完这场官司。
You-you-you argue the case. 就-就-就让你去，为这个案子辩护。
Show these girls some good old-fashioned Texas morals. 给这些姑娘们展示一下得州的传统美德。
It's not about morals, Hank! 这不是道德的问题，汉克！
Well, that's just ignorant. 这太无知了。
Why don't we legalize murder while we're at it? 我们为什么，不把谋杀也合法化呢？
Who's this Jane Roe anyway? 这个简·罗伊到底是谁？
Well, she's healthy, so the baby can't kill her. 她很健康，所以怀孕生孩子不会要她命的。
So, she can't have an abortion in Texas. 所以，她在得州不能做人工流产。
Why doesn't she move to New York City? 她为什么不搬到纽约去做掉？
They're gonna bring up some women's rights violations. 他们会提出一些侵犯妇女权利的问题。
A woman's right to kill her own baby? 让一个女人杀死自己孩子的权利吗？
You're right. 你说的对。
There's no way anyone with a conscience 任何有良知的人
could legalize killin' a child. 都不可能把杀害儿童合法化。
And that's why I prosecuted Jack Ruby 所以我才起诉杰克·鲁比 （酒吧老板，杀死李哈维奥斯瓦尔德后。莫名其妙病死在狱中）
for killing Lee Harvey Oswald. 谋杀李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德。 （酒吧老板，杀死李哈维奥斯瓦尔德后。莫名其妙病死在狱中）
No judge or jury in their right mind 任何一个心智正常的法官或陪审团
would ever let abortion happen in Texas, ever. 都不会让堕胎发生在得克萨斯州，绝对不会。
Ever. 永远不会。
I'm Jay Floyd, 我是杰伊.佛洛伊德。
Assistant Attorney General of the State of Texas. 德克萨斯州首席检察官助理。 （罗伊诉韦德案，1970年六月17日，得克萨斯州地方法院）
The parties in this lawsuit 这桩诉讼案的双方 （罗伊诉韦德案，1970年六月17日，得达克萨斯州地方法院）
have no standing before the court. 都没有在法庭的起诉资格。 （罗伊诉韦德案，1970年六月17日，得达克萨斯州地方法院）
Jane Roe no longer seeks an abortion. 简·罗伊不再诉求堕胎。
She has had the baby or is having it. 她已经或正在生孩子。
Are we gonna let the delay 难道我们就因为听证会的延迟
in the hearing abort the case? 而终止这个案子吗?
She may want to engage inactivity 她可以在怀孕的时候
where she'll become pregnant, 不想进行活动，
and then she may want an abortion. 然后，她可以又想要诉求堕胎了。
The law's whether or not the party has standing 法律是指在案件审理过程中，在争论点需要认定时，
at the time the issues are decided in the case. 双方当事人是否都具有资格。
This statute takes effect 本法令的有效
regardless of when the embryo takes effect. 与胎儿何时有效无关。
I mean, at first week? 我是说，在第一个星期吗？
There have been many arguments 关于胎儿何时成为“存在的人”，
as to when an embryo becomes a human being. 有许多观点。
There have been many religious groups 有很多宗教团体
that have joined in that controversy, 都加入了这场争论，
and I'm not setting forth the Catholic faith. 我并不是在阐述天主教信仰。
How is that gettin' you anywhere? 这对你有利吗？
The point is, 问题在于，
the state's interest is whether or not murder occurs, 本州只关注于是否发生了谋杀，
and if the embryo is considered a human being. 以及，胎儿是否被认为是一个“存在的人”。
There have been many opinions on privacy. 关于隐私有很多意见。
So, you're saying that if Texas were to approve abortion, 那么，按照你的说法，如果德州批准堕胎合法，
that it would be considered a direct killin' of our citizens? 这将被认为是对我们公民的直接杀害?
I-I think this is a bad word in this situation, 我觉得在这种情况下，用这个词不太好
although everybody seems to want to use it. 尽管大家似乎都想用。
I haven't come up with a phrase myself, 我自己也想不出一个词，
but I don't think privacy is gonna do it. 但我不认为隐私是要解决的。
The State's position is the right of that child to life 州政府的立场是，儿童的生命权
is superior to the woman's right to privacy. 高于妇女的隐私权。
Then an argument could be made 那么一场争论就此产生，
that an abortion isn't necessary, 那就是堕胎没有必要，
a medical argument because of the health of the mother. 一场基于母亲健康的医学上的争论。
Any possible change in the relevant law 相关法律的任何可能的改变
is a matter for the state legislators and not the courts. 都是州立法机关的事情，而不是法院的事情。
First Amendment rights or Ninth Amendment rights, 第一修正案的权利或者第九修正案的权利，
I feel that they are so important that they deserve 我觉得它们很重要，应该得到
special protection. 特别保护。
They involve fundamental human freedoms. 它们涉及人的基本自由。
The State has not tried to prosecute unfairly, has it? 州政府并没有，试图进行不公正的起诉，对吧？
The State is prosecuting against physicians. 但州政府正在起诉医师。
Do you think the entire statute should be stricken? 你认为法令应该彻底废止吗？
Yes. 是的。
- Is the court worried about...?- Ah... —法庭是否担心...?—啊...
We worry about a lot of things. Don't let that worry you. 我们担心很多事情。这里就不牢你费心了。
I think the statute is so bad 我认为这条法令是如此得糟糕，
that the court just has to strike it all down. 法庭应该彻底废止它。
So, you think 63 years of unconstitutionality 所以你认为，持续63年的违宪行为，
should've worn everyone's constitutional patience? 应该已经消耗掉了人民的发自本性的耐心了吗?
Is that what you're saying? 你是这个意思吗？
I think the State has had plenty of time 我认为州政府有足够的时间，
to construe this statute. 来解释这个法令。
This was the judge Linda clerked for, 这是琳达做书记员的法官，
and she obviously made her decision 很明显她在听案子之前
before she even heard the case. 就做出了决定。
I think the wink gave it away. 我想，她的眨眼，就暴露了她们之间的关系。
I would like to draw to the court's attention that life 我想提请法庭注意，生命是
is an ongoing process. 一个持续的过程。
It is almost impossible to define at which point 几乎不可能确定生命
life begins or 从什么时候开始，
perhaps even when life ends. 甚至，可能是何时结束。
Assuming there is a Ninth Amendment right to privacy, 假设有一项在《第九修正案》规定了的隐私权，
does the state have any compelling reason 州政府是否有任何令人信服的原因
to regulate or modify that right? 来管控或修改这项权利?
I cannot see any justification for regulation 当堕胎是由医生做的时候，
when the abortion's being done by a doctor. 我看不出有什么正当理由进行管控。
The state of the pregnancy or anything? 怀孕的情况还是什么?
The stage of the pregnancy is pause for concern, um. 在怀孕的阶段，因忧虑而暂停怀孕，嗯。
You could recognize life when the fetus is able to live 只有当胎儿能够在母体外生存时，
outside the body of the mother. 你才就能识别出生命。
It might be dependent on whether she has money or not? 这可能取决于她是否有钱？
The young,those still in school, 那些年轻人，那些还在上学的人，
those unable to shoulder the responsibility of a child, 那些不能承担抚养孩子责任的人，
these girls should not be put through the pregnancy 这些女孩，不应该被怀孕所拖累，
and should be entitled to an abortion. 她们应该有权进行堕胎。
Gentlemen, inside, now! 先生们，进来，马上！
I told you any decent lawyer could win this case! 我说过，任何一个称职的律师都会赢这场官司！
You, Mr. Floyd, are apparently not a decent lawyer. 而你，弗洛伊德先生，显然不是一名称职的律师。
The judge's decision was political; 法官的决定太具有政治化了；
nobody could've done anything. 容不得人做任何事。
You weren't prepared! 你是没有准备！
You didn't bring in any medical experts to testify 你没有把医学专家的证言引入，
that life begins at conception! 没有阐明生命的概念是从受孕开始！
They said the Constitution didn't apply to the unborn. 他们说宪法不适用于未出生的人。
We'll fight the decision, Hank! 我们会反对这个决定的，汉克！
Fight? You didn't even bring in all of the case law. 反对？你甚至没有把所有的判例法都用上。
Dozens that do protect the rights of the unborn! 那里有许多保护未出生人的权利的案例！
You've embarrassed this office. 你让这个司法办公室丢脸了。
Sir, if you would just listen to what I have to say, I could... 先生，如果你愿意听我说的话，我可以…
Planned Parenthood in their own words agree, 即使“计生组织”，同他们自己的话来说，也得同意，
"Abortion kills the life of the baby after it's begun"! "堕胎会扼杀婴儿的生命"！
Right here in their own damn pamphlet! 就印在他们自己出版的小册子里！
You research this Jane Roe 你调查一下简·罗伊，
to see if she's telling the truth. 看她说的是不是真的。
Mr. Tolle,I will deal with you. 托尔先生，我要你来处理办理此案。
Mr. Floyd,you deal with the Governor. 弗洛伊德先生，我要你去应付州长。
I will appeal this all the way to the Supreme Court, 我会一直上诉到最高法院，
so help me God! 愿上帝保佑我!
Until the appeals process is over, 在上诉程序结束之前，
abortion is still illegal in Texas. 堕胎在得克萨斯州仍然是非法的。
Potter keeps pushing Roe. 波特尔一直在推动罗伊。 （华盛顿特区，美国最高法院）
I think we should wait. 我认为我们应该等待。 （华盛顿特区，美国最高法院）
The Senate has rejected 到目前为止，参议院拒绝了
each of Nixon's appointments so far. 尼克松的每一项新任大法官的任命。
Who knows how long this could take. 谁知道这要花多长时间。
Obviously, they're just trying as many cases as they can 很显然，趁着他们还在掌控大局，
while they're still in control. 他们要尽可能多地审理案件。
Your letter to Nixon did help get your friend 你给尼克松的信确实让你的朋友
Blackmun on the bench. 布莱克蒙坐上了大法官席。
Well, I had to do something. 我总得做点儿什么。
Nothing like that has happened in 40 years. 这样的事40年来都没发生过。
At this rate, the liberals will never let Nixon 照这样下去，自由派永远不会让尼克松
appoint any new justices. 任命新的大法官。
It could be Rehnquist and Powell. 有可能是伦奎斯特和鲍威尔。
Who the hell knows where they stand. 谁他妈知道他们的立场。
What are you thinking, Byron? 你在想什么，拜伦？
Seven judges,only six are required. 七名大法官，只需要掌控六名。
The Supreme Court 最高法院
has nine justices. 共有九名大法官。
Two had just retired, 两名已经退休，
and Nixon was fighting with the Senate 而尼克松在与参议院斗争
over his replacements. 用他推荐的替补人选。
This is far too. Too sensitive a matter for seven. 这太过分了。对七个人来说太敏感了。
Well, we just decided the Vuitch case. 那么，我们刚裁决了“武伊奇案”。
I'll bring that up and we'll-we'll move on. 我们用这个案件扩大战果。
Roe v. Wade,in the grand scheme of things, 罗伊诉韦德案，从大局来看，
is not that important. 并不那么重要。
The Vuitch case! 武伊奇案！
I don't-I don't see the correlation. 我没-我看不出有什么关联。
These people,they want-they want abortion 这些人，他们-他们想要堕胎
for reasons other than life or health. 是出于生命或健康以外的原因。
They want abortion on demand. 他们要求堕胎合法化。
Well, we'll see. 那么，我们就走着瞧。
纽约州，纽约市，福特汉姆大学法学院
What's all the commotion,my jurists? 瞎吵吵什么？我的法学家们。
Professor, everyone's talking about what's happening in Texas. 教授，大家都在谈论得州发生的事。
Is that what's on your minds? 这就是你们想的吗？
Only fanatics are against abortion. 只有狂热分子才反对堕胎。
Oh, really? 哦，真的？
Mother Teresa? 那特蕾莎嬷嬷呢？
Martin Luther King?The Dalai Lama? 马丁路德金呢？达赖喇嘛呢？
"It would seem to me clear as daylight “在我看来，堕胎是一种犯罪，
- that abortion would be a crime."- Mahatma Gandhi. 这一点非常清楚。”—圣雄甘地。
Fanatics? 他们都是狂热分子吗？
None of them were getting pregnant. 他们都没有怀过孕。
Regardless, we should have the right to control our own bodies. 无论如何，我们应该有权利控制自己的身体。
Yes, one should have the right 是的，一个人应该有权利
to do whatever she wants with her own actual body. 用自己的身体做任何她想做的事。
But let me ask you something. 但让我问你一点。
What happens when that body 当那个身体
starts to interfere with another body? 开始介入另一个身体时，会发生什么？
You mean,the rights of the fetus? 你是说，胎儿的权利吗？
It is part of our own bodies. 它是我们身体的一部分。
All of your body parts 你身体的所有部分
share the same DNA,except the fetus. 都有相同的DNA，除了胎儿。
So, the child, by definition, 所以，根据定义，孩子不是
is not part of anyone's body but their own. 任何人的身体的一部分，而是他们自己的。
But how can you say it's a life? 但你怎么能说这是一条生命呢？
It can't live without the mother. 它不能没有母亲而存活。
Well, Dan. 那么好，丹。
Were you able to feed yourself 在你出生后的第二天，
without your mother,the day after you were born? 你能在没有母亲的情况下养活自己吗?
- Well.- Not even a one-year-old —那么。—甚至连满周岁
or a two-year-old can take care of themselves. 或两岁的孩子都不能照顾好自己。
Dan can't even take care of himself now. 丹，他现在连自己也都照顾不了。
You think this is funny? 你们认为这个好笑吗？
You all protest the killing in Vietnam. 你们都在抗议越南的杀戮。
So, am I confused,or is this just hypocrisy? 那么，我就困惑了，你们只是在伪善吗？
The elderly, 老人，
the handicapped,the incapacitated, 残疾人，丧失能力的人，
they can't take care of themselves. 他们不能照顾自己。
Should we eliminate them too? 我们也应该消灭它们吗？
What about birth defects? 那么出生缺陷呢？
To kill an unborn child because of defects 因为缺陷而杀死未出生的孩子
is what the Nazis used to do to the Jews. 是纳粹过去对犹太人做的事。
Let me give you a riddle. 让我给你猜一个谜语。
The father, 一个父亲，
syphilitic. 他有梅毒。
The mother had tuberculosis. 母亲患有肺结核。
Of their four children,one was blind, the second died, 他们的四个孩子中，一个失明，第二个死了，
the third was deaf and dumb, 第三个又聋又哑，
and the fourth had tuberculosis, too. 第四个也得了肺结核。
If the mother got pregnant again, 如果妈妈又怀孕了，
what would you do with the baby? 你会怎么处理孩子?
I wouldn't want my child 我不想让我的孩子
to grow up disabled and suffer. 在残疾和痛苦中长大。
You would have killed Beethoven. 你会杀了贝多芬的。
Don't you think that someone's hopelessness 你不觉得某人的绝望
should motivate us to protect them, 应该激励我们去保护他们，
not destroy them? 而不是摧毁他们吗?
Is everything okay? 一切都好了吗？
I.I can't take care of a baby right now. 我。我现在没法照顾孩子。
I see. 我明白。
And I can't tell my family about this. 我不能告诉我的家人这事。
They can't know. 不能他们知道。
You do know I love you, right? 你知道我爱你，对吧？
I can't take care of a baby right now. 我现在没法照顾孩子。
My life is over. 我的生活终结了。
I'm so sorry, Mary. 我很抱歉，玛丽。
The hospital limits me with quotas. 医院用配额限制我。
So, each of you are only permitted to do 所以，你们每个人每周只能做
20 abortions a week. 20次堕胎。
That's like saying I've done too many gall bladders 这就好比我做了太多胆囊手术
but I can still do hernia repairs. 但我还能做疝气修补术。
This is a democratic approach. 这是一种平等的方法。
To limit a woman's access to health care? 就为了限制妇女获得医疗保健的机会？
Staff members should have equal access to beds and ORs. 工作人员应有平等的机会使用病床和手术室。
I've already fulfilled my quota. 我已经用完了我的定额。
Dr. Berg won't do abortions,let me use his. 伯格医生不做堕胎手术，让我用他的。
We can't transfer another doctor's quotas to you. 我们不能把其他医生的配额转给你。
Hah, I get this.I get what's going on here. 哈，我明白了。我知道这是怎么回事。
This is an attack on us! Why? 这是对我们的攻击!为什么？
Because we were the ones outspoken on reform? 就因为我们对改革直言不讳？
Yeah, I've heard the whispers in the locker room 是的，我听到了更衣室里的窃窃私语
and I've gotten the looks in the hallway, 走廊里的眼神，
the half portions in the cafeteria, 食堂里的就餐者吃着一半的食物，
the sneers and the nicknames. 还在嘲笑我们和给我们起绰号。
This isn't high school.You can't hurt me. 这不是在高中。你伤害不了我。
Because I'm proud of what I do, 因为我为我所做的事感到自豪，
and I'm proud to help the women of this country. 我为帮助这个国家的女性感到自豪。
So, if you wanna humiliate me 所以，如果你想羞辱我，
and call me the Scraper behind my back, 在背后叫我“刮刀”，
I'll wear it as a badge of honor. 我就把它当荣誉徽章戴着。
Or if you wanna ridicule me and call me the Abortion King, 或者如果你想嘲笑我，叫我堕胎王，
I'll wear that title with pride. 我会骄傲地戴上这个头衔。
Because when a woman is at her wits' end, 这是因为，当一个女人穷思竭虑时，
and she has no one else to turn to, 而且没人听她的倾诉时，
when she's too frightened to tell her family 当她害怕而不敢跟家人讲时，
or fears going to the butcher, 并且不敢去黑心诊所时，
when she has to spend her last dime 当她把最后的一毛钱花在
to catch the Greyhound 搭乘长途汽车，
or hitchhike her way to New York, 或者搭乘顺风车去纽约时，
when she breaks down in tears crying out for her savior 当她吞噬着眼泪叫喊她的救世主时，
and when your God can't help her, Kenneth. 当你们的上帝，帮助不了她时，肯尼斯。
Who do you think she's crying for? 你觉得她会为什么哭诉？
I decided to fight back, 我决定反击，
so I had Larry call and leak the story to the press 于是我和拉里一起，并把事情的来龙去脉，打电话告诉了新闻媒体，
and feed some of this good raw meat 这帮媒体就像听见铃声，要喂他们生肉吃的
to the drooling beasts in the media. 畜生一样，流下了哈喇子口水
Yeah. Hi, Kate? 是我。你好吗？凯蒂。
Yes, Larry Lader. 是我，拉里.雷德。
How are you? 你好吗？
I have a story for you. 我有一件事情告诉你们。
Hi. I was hoping to speak to someone 嗨。我想找个人谈谈
about the quotas you put on abortions. 你们给堕胎设定的配额。
It's amazing how the quotas magically dried up. 配额神奇地枯竭了，真是不可思议。
Time of death? 死亡时刻到了吗？
And the Medicine section of Time Magazine 《时代杂志》的医学增刊，
had a three-column spread. 刊登了连续三篇的专栏文章。
Thanks for getting those quotas lifted, Your Majesty. 谢谢你取消了配额，“堕胎国王”陛下。
Aw. Thank you, Sire. 哦。谢谢你,大臣。
Your favorite,corn flakes. 你最喜欢的，玉米薄饼。
You know that John Harvey Kellogg 你知道吗？约翰·哈维·凯洛格 （美国营养学家、医学博士，发明家1876-1943）
created corn flakes as an anti-aphrodisiac. 发明了玉米薄饼作为抗春药。
He believed bland foods decreased sex drive. 他认为清淡的食物会降低性欲。
Oh, well. 哦，那好。
I hope that's not true, for Joan's sake. 我希望这不是真的，看在琼的份上。
Did I miss something? 我错过了什么吗？
Yeah, your husband's trivial knowledge. 你的丈夫在卖弄他的小知识。
He also founded the Race Betterment Foundation 他还成立了“种族改良基金会”，
which paved the way for Margaret Sanger. 为玛格丽特·桑格的事业铺平了道路。
Don't eat that. 别吃那个。
Huh? 呃？
Are you gonna stop me? 你也要阻止我吗？
Eat up. 吃吧。
Could you quiet them down,Joan? 你能让他们安静一会儿吗？琼。
Let me show you somethin'. 让我给你们看看该怎么弹。
We need to come up with a jingle. 我们得想出一首广告歌。
Something catchy. 能够吸引人的。
Bernie, what was that song you told me about? 伯妮，你跟我说的那首歌是什么？
The one that doctors used to sing during your residency. 你们的住院实习医生常唱的那首。
Oh, I can't do that. 哦，我不能唱。
- I can't...- You have a song? —我不能...—你有歌了吗？
Aw, come on, Bernie.Don't be shy. 得了吧，伯尼。不要不好意思。
No way, no, no, no, no. 不行，不，不，不。
Let it out. 唱出来。
I'm no Stravinsky.I can't, I can't... 我不是斯特拉文斯基。我不能，我不能… （1872-1971年，美籍俄国作曲家、指挥家和钢琴家）
Well, Joan is.Joan! Joan, help. 那好，琼来，琼！琼来伴奏。
Why don't you get us started. 你先开始唱吧。
- I'll join in.- Ah. —我合跟上调子的。—啊。
Come on.Come on, Bernie. 来吧。来吧，伯尼。
Okay, fine, fine, fine. 好吧，行，行，行。
Sing it! 唱一个！
Okay. Fine. 好吧。行。
鈾?There's a fortune In abortion 鈾? 在堕胎这行有钱可赚
鈾?Just a twist of the wrist And you're through 鈾? 只要你熟练就能赚到
鈾?The population of the nation 鈾? 国家的人口数字
鈾?Won't grow If it's left up to you 鈾? 如果取决于你，就不会上升
鈾?There's a fortune In abortion 鈾? 在堕胎这行有钱可赚
鈾?There's a gold mine In the sex line 鈾? 在性行业中有座金矿
鈾?Only rabbits Have those habits 鈾? 就像兔子有它的天性
鈾?Oh there's a fortune In abortion 鈾? 哦，在堕胎这行有钱可赚
鈾?You never bother The future father 鈾? 你永远不会烦恼那些未来的父亲
I found the Catholics! 我发现了天主教徒！
Those Vatican devils, 这帮梵蒂冈的魔鬼，
starting right here with the big cheese: 从这个大人物开始：
Cardinal Cooke,Father McHugh, 红衣主教库克,麦克休神父，
Robert Byrn,Charlie Rice, 罗伯特.拜恩，查理.赖斯，
Ellen McCormack,even Ed Golden. 艾伦.麦克马克，甚至还有艾德.高登。
If we're gonna succeed,people have gotta be scared! 如果我们要成功，就得让人们害怕！
Well, men are governed by lines of intellect, 男人受智力的直线控制，
women by curves of emotion. 女人受情感的曲线把握。
That's our Catholic strategy, right there. 这就是我们天主教会的策略。
Perfect. 实在是高明。
Well, these guys have been scaring people for years! 这些家伙们已经恐吓人们很多年了！
How are we looking on the new numbers? 我们再看看，数字反映了什么？
A million illegal abortions a year; 每年有一百万次非法堕胎；
10,000 die in back alleys. 一万人死在黑暗小巷里的诊所。
I completely made that up. 这完全是我编的。
A million illegal abortions a year? 每年有一百万次非法堕胎？
Ten thousand die in back alleys? Not even close. 一万人死在后街陋巷?还差得远着呢。
That's like a hand grenade in a maternity ward. 这就像妇产科病房里的手榴弹。
But we need slogans,battle cries. 但我们需要口号，战斗的嚎叫。
Not statistics. 不需要统计数字。
People trust numbers. 人民相信数字。
Yeah. 是的。
Cyril's right.People do trust numbers. 西里尔是对的。人民真的相信数字。
But Betty is also right. 但贝蒂也是对的。
People need something to grab on to, 人们需要一些东西来抓住他们，
something to hook in their brains 一些东西在他们的大脑里被钩住，
that feel like they're part of the movement. 让他们觉得自己是运动的一部分。
You want a slogan? 你想要一个口号吗？
Yeah. 是的。
I have a slogan. 我想出一个口号。
It's a woman's body.It's her right to choose. 这是一个女人的身体。选择是她的权利。
We are the pro-choice people. 我们是支持堕胎的人。
- That's amazing.- Pro-choice. —这是惊人的。—堕胎。
Uh-huh. 呜-哈。
Pro... we're pro-choice. 主张...我们主张堕胎自由。
Yes, it's-it's pro-freedom,it-it's pro-liberty. 好的，这就有点儿像争取自由，争取人权运动了。
Who can argue with it? 谁能反驳它呢？
They came up with the slogan...pro-choice. 他们与口号一起迸发而出...支持堕胎自由。 （全国生命权利组织总部）
Pro-choice? 支持堕胎自由？ （全国生命权利组织总部）
What an evasive, fraudulent and deceptive term. 这是一个多么含糊其辞、欺诈性和欺骗性的术语。
According to recent statistics, 根据最近的统计，
over one million women are having illegal abortions 美国每年有超过一百万的妇女
every year in America. 非法堕胎。
And over 10,000 are dying 超过1万人死于
from these back alley type procedures. 这种地下诊所的手术中。
Why aren't we taking our own polls? 为什么我们不自己做民意调查呢？
They told the press that one in three Catholics 他们告诉媒体，三分之一的天主教徒
are for abortion! 赞成堕胎合法化!
Because we don't have the money! 因为我们没有钱！
Why didn't this Jane Roe 为什么这个简·罗伊
just give the baby up for adoption? 不把孩子送去领养?
There is a long waiting list for white babies. 白人婴儿的等待名单很长。
This was political. 这是政治上的。
Judge Hughes kept her hidden. 休斯法官把她藏起来了。
We gotta get Wade on the phone. 我们打通了韦德的电话。
District Attorney's office, 这里是地检署，
may I help you? 我能帮你吗？
Robert Byrn for Henry Wade. 罗伯特.拜恩找亨利,韦德说话。
What can I do for you, Bobby? 有什么事找我吗？鲍比。
I've got the team here. 我把团队人马都召集了。
The Supreme Court will hear the case! 最高法院将审理此案！
Let us know if we can help. 如果我们能帮忙，请告诉我们。
It was time to prepare 现在是时候来准备
for the Supreme Court. 最高院的审案了。
While some focused on saving lives, 就在一些人专注于救人性命时，
others had no idea what was coming. 其他人还不知道接下来会发生什么。
Everyone had their own agenda. 每个人都有自己的时间表。
We used Sarah and the lawyers from Planned Parenthood 我们请了莎拉和“计划生育协会”的律师
to fulfill ours. 来完成我们的任务。
Certainties as unquestioned 我们对把握的事情毫无疑问，
as the U.S. Constitution itself, trembled! 就像对待美国宪法一样，敬畏！
All rise! 全体起立！
There were still only seven justices 这里还只有七名大法官， （1971年十二月13日）
because Nixon still wasn't able to 因为尼克松还不能
get his two picks confirmed. 让他的两名替补得到确认。
I am completely out of my depth. 我完全搞不懂。
Don't be nervous. 不要紧张。
You had the best of the best prepare you. 你已经做了最好的准备。
You'll be fine. 你会一切顺利的。
We will hear arguments 我们将聆听论证
in Roe against Wade. 在“罗伊诉韦德”一案中。
Mrs. Weddington,you may proceed. 韦丁顿夫人，你可以进行了。
Mr. Chief Justice,may it please the court. 首席大法官先生，请庭上诸大人，且听我言。
The court declared the Texas abortion law 法院宣布德克萨斯州的堕胎法
to be unconstitutional for two reasons. 违背宪法，有两个原因。
First, the law was vague, 首先，这条法律含糊不清，
and second, it violated a woman's right 其次，它侵犯了妇女
to continue or terminate a pregnancy. 继续或终止妊娠的权利。
The Texas law permits abortions be performed 得克萨斯州的法律只允许
only for the purpose of saving the life of the woman. 以挽救妇女生命为目的的堕胎。
When this case of yours 当你们的案子
was in the district court, 还在地方法院时，
the case of Vuitch against the United States 武伊奇诉美国案
had not been decided here. 在这里还没有判决。
That is correct. 这是正确的。
Now that it has, 现在它以经判了，
do you think that that disposes of 你认为这个案例是否解决了
some of the questions you're raising now? 你现在提出的一些问题?
Your Honor, I do not. 法官大人，我认为没有。
In the Vuitch decision, 在武伊奇案的判词中，
this court was working with a statute which provided 本法院正在根据一项法令进行工作，
that an abortion could be permitted 该法令规定，出于健康或生命原因
for reasons of health or life. 可以允许堕胎。
Does Texas law,in other areas of the law, 德克萨斯州的法律，在其他法律领域，
give rights to the unborn? 给予未出生的人权利吗?
In an area such as trusts, estates, wills or elsewhere? 在信托、遗产、遗嘱或其他的法律方面?
The Supreme Court of Texas recently held a case 德克萨斯州最高法院最近审理了一起案件，
in which there is action for prenatal injuries at any stage 在该案例中，在出生前的任何阶段都可以
prior to birth, but only upon the condition 对产前伤害采取诉讼，但前提是
that it be born alive. 要活着生下来。
Mr. Justice, it's an old joke, 法官先生，有个老话讲，
but when a man argues against two beautiful ladies, 但当一个男人和两个美丽的女人争论时，
they're gonna have the last word. 女人们总会有最后的发言权。
As to the-as to the unmarried pregnant female, 至于未婚怀孕的女性，
a unique situation arises. 情况就很特殊了。
Is her action moot? 她的诉讼是否属于“非实际发生”吗？
It has been recognized by the appellant's counsel 上诉人的律师已承认
that she is no longer pregnant. 她已不再怀孕。
Of course, if moot,there is no case or controversy. 当然，如果是“没有实际发生”的，也就没有案例可循或产生争议了。
- Class action, wasn't it? - Yes, —这难道不算是集体诉讼吗？—是的，
but the whole purpose of class action 但集体诉讼的整个“标的”应该
is to have a representative in court. 是在法庭上有一个代表。
So, what procedure would you suggest 那你建议采取什么程序，
for any pregnant female in the State of Texas 用以全部得克萨斯州的怀孕女性的诉求，
to ever get judicial consideration? 能够得到法律上的考量？
We can take judicial notice 我们可以得出这样的司法认知，
of the fact that at any given moment, 这样一个事实，就是“在任何时候，
there are unwed pregnant females in the State of Texas. 得克萨斯州都有未婚怀孕的女性”。
I think she makes her choice 我认为她在怀孕之前
prior to the time that she becomes pregnant. 就做出了选择。
Maybe she makes her choice 也许她决定住在得克萨斯州时，
when she decides to live in Texas. 就要做出了选择。
It should've been debated in Congress, not here. 应该在国会讨论，而不是在这里的法院。
"Courts are the mere instruments of the law, “法院只是法律的工具，
and can will nothing."John Marshall. 除此什么它也做不了。”引自 第4任美国首席大法官约翰.马歇尔。
Politicians don't have the courage 政客们没有勇气
to argue with the legislature. 与立法机关争论。
The right to life 生命权是
is the cornerstone of our government. 我们政府的基石。
It's a foundation of the Constitution. 也是宪法的基础。
They were mocking him in there. 他们在里面嘲笑他。
I don't even know why this is in the Supreme Court. 我都不知道为什么最高法院会这样。
There's no factual record in this case, 本案没有事实记录，
no trial,no expert witnesses, 没有审判，没有专家证人，
no description of evidence, 没有证据描述，
no expert witness testimony. It didn't even go through 没有专家证人的证词。甚至都没有
an appeal! 申诉!
This is a conspiracy. 这是一场阴谋。
They're laughin' at him in there! 他们在里面嘲笑他！
Laughin' at him! 嘲笑他！
They're not laughin' with him.They're laughin' at him! 他们没有和他一起笑。他们在嘲笑他！
It couldn't have been that bad. 事情还不至于那么糟。
You're a law professor. 你是法学教授。
He didn't even address the rights of the unborn 他甚至没有引证
in property law,probate law, 在物权法，遗嘱检验法，
criminal law, tort law,the list goes on. 刑法，侵权法中提到未出生者的权利，等等。
The judges ask him what rights,if any, do the unborn have, 法官问他，如果有的话，胎儿有什么权利，
and he just stood there and didn't say anything. 他只是站在那里，什么也没说。
I gotta go before I blow a gasket! 我得走了，不然我要气炸了!
There's no more discussion for...? 没有更多的讨论…吗？
For Roe? 为了罗伊？
The four justices on the right 在右边的四名法官
with their hands up 举手投票赞成
voted to legalize abortion,while the three on the left, 堕胎合法化，而在左边的三名法官，
including Chief Justice Burger,were supporting life. 包括首席大法官伯格，支持生命。
This made it four to three in favor of abortion. 这使得赞成堕胎的人数达到了四比三。
Apologize, gentlemen. 很抱歉，先生们。
In the matter of Roe v. Wade, 在罗伊诉韦德一案中，
I want the case reargued. 我希望重新辩论此案。
Chief Justice Burger was losing, 由于首席大法官伯格在讨论中输了，
so he wanted the case reheard 所以他希望重审此案，
to flip the vote in favor of life. 让投票转向支持生命。
Well, besides the obvious, 除了显而易见的原因，
what's your reasoning? 你的理由是什么?
Four to three in favor of Roe, 四比三支持“罗伊”，
it's very close. 非常接近。
We've had close decisions before. 我们以前也有过艰难的决定。
Because it didn't go Warren's way. 因为事情没有按照沃伦的意愿发展。
That has nothing to do with it. 那跟这事没关系。
The importance of this issue 这个问题的重要性
merits a full bench treatment. 应该得到一个“全体一致通过”的对待。
Of course, Harry. 当然了，哈里。
Because you're Warren's man. 因为你是沃伦的人。
I resent that. 我讨厌这个称呼。
You were best man at his wedding. 你是他婚礼上的伴郎。
It was my idea to reargue in the first place. 重新辩论，一开始就是我的主张。
Harry, you're here because he recommended you to Nixon. 哈里，你坐在这里，是因为他向尼克松推荐了你。
Enough! We need to wait! 别吵了！我们需要等待一会儿！
And why is that?Because this decision 为什么呢?因为这个决定可能会
might affect your old pal Nixon's re-election? 影响你的老朋友尼克松的连任？
Really, Potter? 是吗？波特。
Can we rest the egos 我们能暂时搁置一下自我，
and try to get a little work done, please? 花点力气来处理这个案子吗？
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? 还有人对此有什么看法吗?
Yes, I don't see any problem 是的，我看不出重新辩论
with rearguing. 有什么问题。
Nixon opposes abortion, 尼克松是反对堕胎的，
so I'm sure his new justices will follow suit. 所以我相信他推荐的新任法官也会这么做。
Two new justices voting Nixon's way 两名新法官投票支持尼克松
will change the outcome here. 将改变这里的结果。
Political allegiance should not affect 政治忠诚不应该影响
how we interpret the Constitution, gentlemen. 我们对宪法的解释，先生们。
Yes, and with that, 是的，既然如此，
I'm appointing Harry to pen the opinion. 我要任命哈里来写裁决意见书。
I'm the senior justice in the majority. 我是这里占多数派的高级法官。
I've got to agree with Bill, Warren. 我同意比尔的看法，沃伦。
- That's not standard protocol.- I'm the chief justice. —这不符合正常程序。—我是首席大法官。
I determine protocol. 我决定程序，
You are trying to control this,Warren, old buddy. 你想控制这个，沃伦，你这个老家伙。
That is completely unethical. 这是完全不合常理。
Aren't you the one that pushed this case? 难道不是你在推动这个案子吗？
All those in favor of rearguing? 都赞成重审此案吗？
They voted six to one 他们投票6：1
to reargue Roe v. Wade. 重审“罗伊”诉韦德案。
There you go. That's it. 那就这样吧。这就定了。
Justice Douglas was the only one 道格拉斯法官是唯一的
to oppose hearing the case again. 反对再次审理此案的人。
- William?- Hmm. —威廉？—嗯。
Bill. 比尔。
It's a letter of protest 这是一封书面抗议
including my draft dissent to reargue. 包括了我反对重新辩论的草案。
The draft dissent 正式地提出反对草案，
is a formal letter that outlines Justice Douglas' reasons 反映出道格拉斯法官反对
as to why he thought Roe v. Wade should not be reheard. 重审“罗伊”诉韦德案的想法的理由。
And why are you giving this to me? 你为什么要把这个给我？
Burger abused his power. 伯格滥用了他的权力。
I'm the senior justice after him, 我是仅次于他的大法官，
he was supposed to assign the case to me. 他本该把这个案子交给我的。
That's already been decided,okay? 已经决定了，对吗？
Get off that. 别再纠缠这事了。
Chief Justice is going to make sure 首席大法官会确保
that we reargue this case. 我们重新审理这个案子。
The Senate just confirmed Rehnquist and Powell. 参议院刚刚批准了伦奎斯特和鲍威尔的提名。
That will flip the decision. 这将改变判决。
You see, Justice Douglas 你们明白了吧，达格拉斯法官
supported Jane Roe, 支持“简.罗伊”，
and right now, the vote was four to three 现在，以四比三的票数
in his favor to win. 他会如愿获胜。
He was afraid if there was gonna be a reargument 他担心，如果有两名新法官
with two new justices,the vote would flip 参与重新辩论，投票结果会反转，
and it would be five-four,and he would lose. 结果会是五比四，他会输。
Has Burger seen this? 伯格读过这个吗？
Not yet. 还没有。
You cannot send this letter to the press. 你不能把这封信透露给媒体。
Promise me you're voting with us. 答应我，你会和我们一起投票。
How dare you! 你怎么敢这样！
Promise me now, or this is going to be published. 现在就答应我，否则我就发表此信。
You will disgrace the court. 你会让法庭蒙羞的。
If you don't wanna see that in the Post, 如果你不想在《华盛顿邮报》上看到这个，
you need to assure me that a reargument 你得向我保证重新辩论
will not change your vote. 不会改变你的投票。
You need to make an issue of this. 你得把这件事当回事。
I don't understand how a single justice 我不明白一个法官
can order things his way. 怎么能按自己的方式行事。
Now you know how women feel. 现在你知道女人的感受了。
I'm late, I have to get to the clinic. 我要迟到了，我得去诊所了。
I wish you wouldn't spend so much time at that place. 我希望你不要在那个地方花那么多时间。
That place? 那个地方吗？
Planned Parenthood? “计生组织”吗？
You don't want us supporting women? 你不希望我们支持女性吗？
We'll talk about it later. 我们稍后再讨论这个问题。
Okay. 好的。
- Andy.- William. —安迪。—威廉。
- You're looking lovely.- Thank you. —你看起来很漂亮。—谢谢你。
Planned Parenthood? 计生组织？
Nobody knew Justice Stewart's wife worked there. 没人知道斯图尔特法官的妻子在那里工作。
You need to recuse yourself. 你需要回避了。
Look, Bill. 比尔。
My wife volunteers there,not me. 我妻子在那里当志愿者，不是我。
This is a major conflict of interest. 这里有重大相关利益。
If word got out. 如果被传出去。
Please, you need to control your home. 求你了，管好自己的家庭吧。
What Burger did was worse. 伯格做的不是更糟吗？
He appointed Harry to write the opinion. 他指派哈里写裁决意见书。
That is a gross abandonment of protocol. 这完全是置程序于脑后。
We were ready to vote this four-three. 我们准备以四比三投票。
Potter,here's my letter and dissent. 波特，这是我的异议书。
You know what I resent? 你知道我对什么不满？
I resent the fact that Burger thinks 我不满的是，伯格认为
he has Rehnquist and Powell in his pocket. 伦奎斯特和鲍威尔已经被他控制了。
They're brand new, 他们是新来的大法官，
and Burger acts like he owns the court. 伯格就像最法庭的主人一样。
But he has no right to hold this up for those two. 但他没有权利为他们俩做主。
He wants to make sure the vote goes his way, 他想确保投票按他的意愿进行，
that's why he's demanding a reargument. 所以他要求重新辩论。
Right.And that will flip the vote 没错。这样投票结果就颠倒过来了，
and we lose five-four. 我们以5:4输了。
If we don't sort this out,fur will fly today. 如果我们不整理好这件事，今天就会闹得一地鸡毛。
You see, in the end, 列位看官，到最后，
it was Justice Stewart who leaked the court's internal vote 是斯图尔特法官把法院内部讨论投票
to the Washington Post. 告诉了《华盛顿邮报》。
He wanted to stop the case from being reheard 他想阻止这个案件重新审理，
because he wanted abortion legalized. 因为他希望堕胎合法化。
So, Judge, how's the wife? 法官，你妻子怎么样了？
Cut the small talk, Bob. 别扯淡了，鲍勃。
Look, I understand your wife was a volunteer 你看，我知道你妻子是计划生育组织的
for Planned Parenthood.Is that why we're here? 志愿者。所以我们才来这里会面吗？
Absolutely not. 绝对不是。
All my decisions have to do with law and the Constitution. 我所有的决定都与法律和宪法有关。
Now, let's get this over with. 现在，让我们结束这一切。
Are you sure you want to give this to me? 你确定要把这个给我吗？
Burger is gonna hit the roof 伯格看到邮报头版上的这张照片
when he sees this on the front page of the Post. 一定会火冒三丈的。
Yeah, well, he deserves it. 是的，那是他自找的。
I wish you hadn't given me this case. 真希望你没把这个案子给我。
Have you-have you seen the Post this morning? 你，你有没有看到今天的《华盛顿邮报》？
I saw it. 我看过了。
- I saw it!- Now everyone knows how I voted. —我看过了！—现在大家都知道我是怎么投票的了。
The media is outrageous. 媒体太过分了。
Media? There's a leak! 媒体？这里有人泄密！
The appetite for this nonsense is only worse. 人们对这种胡说八道的胃口只会更大。
How long we been friends? 我们做朋友多久了？
Dayton Bluff Elementary. 我们是代顿布拉夫小学的同窗。
It wasn't you, was it? 不会是你吧？
I'm sorry. 我很抱歉。
I'm out of sorts. 我的心情都乱了。
My family, my own family,is up in arms about my vote. 我的家庭，我自己的家人，极力反对我的投票。
They've been watching television. 他们一直在看电视。
I don't-I don't know what to do, Harry. 我，我不知道该怎么办，哈里。
Warren.I question my competency. 沃伦。我在质疑我能否胜任这个职位。
Don't. 别这样。
Your decade of counsel with the Mayo Clinic, 你在梅奥诊所做了十年顾问，
it will be very helpful here. 对这里很有帮助。
I've only been here a year. 我来这里才一年。
We gotta control this, Harry. 我们得控制这里的局面，哈利。
It's gotten out of hand. 事情已经失控了。
Do you know what they're calling me? 你知道他们叫我什么吗？
Your boy. 你的马仔。
They are calling me your boy,the Minnesota Twin. 他们管我叫做你的马仔，我们是明尼苏达双胞胎。
I trust you, Harry,and I need your help. 我相信你，哈里，我需要你的帮助。
I need your support here. 我需要你的支持。
I'm on the fence. 我要保持中立。
Harry, with all this public pressure, 哈利，面对这么大的公众压力，
we've got to get this right. 我们得把事情办好。
We're going to be remembered for this. 我们会因此而被载入史册。
Perhaps this is beyond the authority 也许这超出了
of the Supreme Court. 最高法院的权限。
We are the law of the land, Harry. 我们是这个国家的法律，哈里。
We are the law of the land. 我们就是国家的法律。
Abortion was still illegal in Texas. 堕胎在得州仍然是非法的。
So, every Friday, the flight from Dallas to El Paso 每周五，从达拉斯到埃尔帕索的航班
was booked solid. 都订满了。
They landed 他们登陆
and crossed the border. 并越过边境。
It was called the Abortion Flight. 着被称作是“堕胎航班”。
Planned Parenthood and NARAL “计生组织”和“全国堕胎合法化行动联盟”
fundraised at the Playboy Mansion. 在《花花公子》杂志大楼前筹款。
I mean, it's kind of hypocritical 我是说，我们为了争取女性权利
that we exploited women 而利用女性，
for women's rights, 这有点虚伪，
but hey, anything for a good cause. 但是，嘿，一切都是为了正当的理由。
Larry and I were on a roll. 拉里和我当时干得顺风顺水。
We were performing 200 abortions a day, 我们每天做200例人流手术，
which was making my clinic 50 grand. 给我的诊所赚了5万美元。
Today, that would be like half a million a week. 今天，这一数字相当于每周50万。
And that's how I became a published author. 这就是我成为出版作家的原因。
That's so far out. 那太遥远了。
You know,Larry here changed the laws 拉里仅凭一己之力就改变了
in half the country,singlehandedly. 半个国家的法律。
Bernie and I own most of the clinics in New York. 伯尼和我拥有纽约大部分诊所。
Oh, my god. That's sick. 哦,我的上帝。这真是有病了。
And how did you do that? 你是怎么做到的？
We control the media. 我们掌控了媒体。
Get real. 说真的。
We do. 我们就这样做的。
They write whatever we tell them. 我们说什么，他们写什么。
This one time,we got the New York Times 这一次，我们找到了《纽约时报》，
to publish a poll 刊登一个民意调查，
on how many doctors were in favor of abortion. 是关于有多少医师赞同堕胎的。
We said 87% sounded good. 我们说87%听起来不错。
How many doctors again was that out of, Larry? 那是多少个医生参与调查的？拉里。
About 40,000, I think. 我估计得有大约4万名。
Can you believe they printed that? 你能相信他们居然印了这个吗？
And then, we got them to say 然后，我们让他们说
that 60% of Americans favored abortion. 60%的美国人支持堕胎。
Why didn't you guys just do a real poll? 你们为什么不做个真正的民意调查？
Because if a real poll was taken, 因为如果进行一次真正的民意调查，
nowhere near 60% of Americans favored abortion. 几乎没有60%的美国人支持堕胎。
So, we made it up, and the media didn't even question it. 所以，我们编造了这个故事，媒体甚至都没有质疑。
This is a tactic of the self-fulfilling lie. 这是一种自说自话的谎言策略。
You see, few people care to be in the minority. 你看，很少有人愿意成为少数派。
There's nowhere near a half a million women 根本就没有50万名妇女
- are having back alley abortions.- Yeah. You see, —在地下诊所做人流手术。—是的。你会看到的，
if you keep repeating the big lie over and over again, 如果你一遍又一遍地重复这个弥天大谎，
it generally convinces the public. 它通常会让公众相信。
Well, 10,000 women die from back alley abortions. 那么，一万名妇女死于地下非法堕胎诊所。
- What?- Larry, wait. —什么？—拉里，等一下。
We made that up, too. 这也是我们编的。
Yeah, those are my statistics I came up with. 是啊，这是我脑子里冒出的统计数据。
- Yeah!- You guys lied? —是的！—你们这帮家伙居然还撒谎？
I wouldn't call it lying. 我不认为这是撒谎。
Yeah, it was for the greater good. 就算是，也是为了更好的理由。
Planned Parenthood,they also helped. 这也能帮助“计生组织”。
And no one found out? 就没人会发现吗？
Found out? Honey, the media was in on it. 发现吗?亲爱的，媒体也参与进来了。
You see, for example,if you check out Time Magazine, 假如你去查看《时代周刊》，
we planted four pro-abortion stories 我们每年编了四则有关赞成堕胎的
every year. 报道。
So, 1969, and we have it in 于是，在1969这年中，我们就在
March, September,two in November. 三月，九月，十一月登了两次。
In 1970, February,March, April, September, 在1970年的二月，三月，四月和九月，
in '71, March, May,September, November, 在71年的三月，五月，九月，十一月，
and so on and so forth. 诸如此类。
We kept doing it. 我们一直这么做。
We also put pro-abortion stories in TV shows and films. 我们还把支持堕胎的故事放在电视节目和电影中。
Yeah, remember that movie... 记得那部电影...吗?
oh, what was it...Cabaret with Liza Minelli? 噢，它叫《卡巴莱歌舞厅》，是丽萨.米内莉演的？
Yes. 是的。
Okay, wait! Time Magazine. Really? 还有，等一下！《时代周刊》，真的？
And how did you guys do that? 你们这帮家伙是怎么搞定的？
We used each other as sources. 我们利用彼此作为资源。
纽约市华盛顿广场公园，母亲节抗议游行。
Should we really be doing this on Mother's Day? 我们真的要在母亲节这么做吗？
Exactly. 完全正确。
All right. 那好吧。
How's the rally going, bubalah? 集会进行得怎么样了？布巴拉。
Yeah, hi. 是的，你好。
Larry got commissions by referring women 拉里通过向全国各地的堕胎医生
to abortionists all over the country. 推荐怀孕妇女来获得佣金。
In Chicago, he even used rabbis and Protestant clergy 在芝加哥，他甚至让犹太拉比和新教牧师
to help find them doctors. 帮他们找医生。
Is my referral there? 我的推荐人在那里吗?
With me, as we speak. 和我在一起，正在说话呢。
Okay, good. 好，好。
Yeah, I gotta run. 是啊，我得挂断了。
Such a good guy, that Larry, 那个拉里真是个好人，
making sure the two of you are okay. 他会确保你们俩没事。
I really need to get this done soon. 我真的需要尽快把这事做完。
I-I recommend going to New York. 我，我建议你们去纽约。
Larry's partner Bernie,he's terrific. 拉里的搭档伯尼，他医术精湛。
You don't have anyone in Chicago? 你们在芝加哥没有人选吗？
I can't leave.What do I tell my husband? 我不能离开。我该怎么跟我丈夫说呢？
Oh, jeez. 哦,天哪。
Oy vey,you're not the husband? 喂，你不是她丈夫吗？
You know it's not legal here. 你知道这在这里是不合法的。
Please, Rabbi, I-I beg you. 求你了，拉比，我，我求你了。
Don't cry, don't cry. 别哭，别哭。
It's okay. It's okay. Go see Dr. Ketchum. 没关系。没关系。去找凯彻姆医生。
He's not bad. 他也不错。
And we're not gonna get in trouble? 我们不会有麻烦吧？
Oh, boychik,I take care of everything. 噢，小伙子，我来处理一切。
Okay. 太好了。
Thank you. 谢谢你。
Dozens write amicus briefs, and we get four. 很多人写了“法庭之友意见书”，而我们只有四个人。 （即“非当事人意见陈述”）
They lied to Rockefeller 他们向州长洛克菲勒说谎，
about the numbers on abortion, 关于那个堕胎数字，
and New York fell just like that. 纽约州就这样被拿下了。
When you see a kid out of law school 当你看到一个刚从法学院毕业的小孩子，
get to argue to the highest court in Texas, 能在得州最高法院辩论，
and you can't get a job promotion. 而你却得不到工作晋升。
I could have become a cause c茅l猫bre 如果我能上法庭，
if I had taken it up to court, 我将把这个案子造成轰动，
but it's about knowing the price of the game. 但关键是要大家都知道，玩这场游戏的代价。
I wouldn't have waited 20 years; I'd have sued them. 要是我，就不会等20年;我会起诉他们的。
It will be easier for those coming behind me. 对于我的后继者来说，就会容易许多。
You don't always have to be so strong. 你不必总是那么坚强。
It's not really fair. 这真的不公平。
Life isn't fair. 生活就是不公平的。
It doesn't mean I condone it. 这并不意味着，我可以宽恕这种行为。
When given a choice of being kind or right, be kind. 如果要选择善良或者正确，那就选择善良。
You can be angry, Mildred. 你可以生气，米尔德丽德。
You certainly have been a role model. 你真是个好榜样。
Planned Parenthood and Larry Lader “计生组织”和拉里·雷德
are running seminars to set up clinics across the country. 正在举办研讨会，在全国各地建立诊所。
And not to mention Nathanson. 就更别提内桑森了。
Oh. Maybe I should pay him a visit, 也许我该去会一会他，
doctor to doctor. 作为医生见医生。
Good luck with that. 那就祝好运。
They're making too much money off these clinics. 他们从这些诊所赚的钱太多了。
Not to mention the illegal ones. 更别提那些非法的了。
We have to be willing to get arrested 我们必须像他们一样
for our beliefs just like they are. 情愿为自己的信仰而被捕。
Illegal abortion houses,that's class warfare. 非法堕胎诊所，那是阶级斗争。
I'll reach out to the DAs across the country. 我会联系全国各地的地方检察官。
What are you thinking? 你有什么打算？
Let's see just how many times 让我们看看，他们到底愿意
they're really willing to get arrested. 被逮捕多少次。
Come on. Let's go. 来吧。我们行动。
We had secret abortion clinics 我们在全国有
- across the country,- Get in here. —一些地下诊所，—闯进去。
for girls who couldn't get to New York. 是为了那些无法来到纽约的女孩子们开设的。
Part of our referral network consisted of rabbis 有一些是那些犹太拉比们和清教徒牧师们
and Protestant clergy that helped set them up. 通过转诊网络介绍来的。
Sometimes, we even used five-star hotels. 有时，我们甚至会利用五星级酒店客房。
Freeze! 不许动！
Hands in the air where I can see them. 张开双手，放到我能看见的地方。
This is the one.Right here, guys, right here. 就是这个。就在这里，伙计们，就在这里。
Chicago PD! 芝加哥警察！
Put your gun down. 放下你们的枪。
Hey, watch it! 嘿，盯着点！
Stop right there! 在那儿呆着别动！
Where do you think you're going? 你以为你还能跑到哪里？
He thinks he can get out the window. 他以为他能跳窗逃跑。
Stop what you're doing. 停下你们正在干的勾当。
Can you cuff him, please. 你们能把他铐起来吗。
Hey, stop what you're doing, Pops. 嘿，停下你的勾当，老爷子。
This is an operating room!You have no authority here! 这里是手术室!你在这里没有权力！
Are you okay? 你还好吧？
Oh, my god. 哦，上帝啊。
The rabbis and pastors getting arrested 由于拉比们和牧师们的被捕，
brought down one of our biggest referral networks. 搞垮了我们最大的转诊网络。
Is everything okay? 一切都好吗？
I just hope what we're doing is making women feel safer. 我原本只希望我们所做的，能让女性感到更安全。
You should be so proud. 你应该感到骄傲。
A young woman is arguing 一个年轻的女士，
in front of the Supreme Court because of you. 就是因为你，而能站在联邦最高法院出庭辩护。
I thought I would have had envy, 我本以为我会嫉妒，
but all I felt after all of it was proud of Sarah, 但我的感觉是，毕竟，我为莎拉感到骄傲，
and hope this will open the gate for women to come. 希望这将为女性打开大门。
One of our clinics was just busted. 我们的一家诊所刚刚被捣毁了。
Ugh. 啊。
Sixteen clergy,four rabbis, all arrested. 16名神职人员，4名拉比，都被捕了。
We have to protect these kids. 我们必须保护这些孩子。
We have to make sure they have safe doctors. 我们必须确保，她们有安全可靠的医生。
These raids can't be setbacks. 这些袭击不可能是挫折。
We have to keep working for abortion on demand. 我们必须继续为堕胎合法化而努力。
It makes us look like we're in it for the money. 这让我们看起来是为了钱。
It's just disgraceful. 这是可耻的。
No, quit exaggerating, Bernie. 不，别自作多情了，伯尼。
You know what it's gonna do to me and my family 你知道这对我，对我的家庭，
- and my reputation?- Oh, this is-this is about you? —对我的名誉会有什么影响吗?—哦，这是，这是关于你吗？
Bernie? Is this about you and the money? 伯尼？这是关于你个人还有你的钱吗？
It's not about me. 这不是关于我个人。
It's about the girls. 这是关于那些女孩子。
You're not there. 你当时不在那里。
Yeah, okay.Quit exaggerating, Bernie. 是的，好吧。别自作多情了，伯尼。
You don't see all the girls I save. 你没看到我救的所有女孩。
I became a physician 我是一名来自
in the tradition that obliges society 遵循传统社会道德的医生，
to expect a doctor to save lives, 我是要救死扶伤的，
not kill them. 而不是去杀人的。
There goes your Hippocratic oath. 这就是你的希波克拉底誓言。
Tell that to Nathanson, Mother. 你去跟内桑森讲这话吧，妈妈。
Dr. King said, "We cannot win if we're willing to sacrifice 马丁.路德.金博士说过，“如果我们愿意牺牲
the futures of our children 我们孩子的未来，来换取我们个人的
for immediate personal comfort and safety." 即时舒适和安全，我们就赢不了。”
I am not willing to allow 我不愿意让
the concept of expendable human lives “可以牺牲的人的生命”的概念
to turn this land of ours 把我们的这片土地变成
into just another exclusive reservation, 另一种专属保留地，
where only the planned, 只有那些按照计划的、
the privileged, and the perfect 有特权的和完美的人
have the right to live. 才有权利在这里生活。
my saying this to you, 我对列位看官说，
we're free. 我们是自由的。
We finally have the right to decide what we can do 我们终于有权利决定我们能用自己的身体
with our own body. 做什么。
All right.Then, will you please get yours 好吧。那你把你的
into the kitchen. 拿去厨房吧。
- You're just scared.- I am not scared! —你是被吓住了。—我没有被吓住！
You are, and it's as simple as gong to the dentist. 你就是，这事就像去看牙医一样的简单。
As simple as going to the dentist? 就像去看牙医那么简单？
Oh.I scream, they scream louder. 哦。我想要尖叫，他们却尖叫得更响。
We raise money,they raise more. 我们筹集资金，他们筹集更多。
They have Hollywood on their side. 他们有好莱坞的支持。
Dr. Nathanson, I heard he gave them $10,000 to air that. 我听说，内森桑医生给了他们一万块让他们直播。
Lewis Powell is from Virginia. 刘易斯·鲍威尔来自弗吉尼亚州。
But like another great Virginian, 但就像另一位伟大的来自维吉尼亚州的
Chief Justice Marshall,Lewis Powell is recognized 大法官马歇尔一样，刘易斯·鲍威尔被
by his legal colleagues throughout the nation 全国的法律界同仁公认为
as being a man who represents not just 不仅代表
Virginia and the South. 维吉尼亚州和南方各州。
He is first and foremost,a very great American. 他首先是一个非常伟大的美国人。
William Rehnquist 威廉·伦奎斯特
has been outstanding in every intellectual endeavor 在他所从事的每一项工作中都出色发挥了超常的才智
he has undertaken. 和尽心尽力。
He was graduated from Stanford University, 他于1948年毕业于斯坦福大学
Phi Beta Kappa, 1948. 优等生荣誉学会。
He graduated 1942年，
first in his class 他以全班第一名的成绩
from the Stanford University Law School in 1942. 从斯坦福大学法学院毕业。
You missed the more important news! 你错过了更重要的新闻！
We got the majority. 我们得到了多数票。
We're gonna win. 我们要赢了。
The two new justices were conservatives. 这两位新法官是保守派。
So, when we go back into court, 所以当我们回到法庭时，
the vote will swing their way five to four. 投票结果会以五比四向他们倾斜。
We're gonna lose. 我们就输了。
I wouldn't count on that. 我可不敢指望。
We still have a lot of work to do. 我们还有很多工作要做。
I've tried Nathanson's service.He won't return my calls. 我打过内森桑的电话。他不回我电话。
Have you tried heading over to Planned Parenthood? 你试过去“计划生育组织”吗?
I'm not going there to get lynched. 我可不想去那儿被人受私刑。
I'll just head over to the hospital. 我这就去医院。
Are you going to go after the clergy? 你要去找牧师吗？
I'm gonna go with the industry. 我认为这已经是一个产业了。
Robert,no one sees the industry. 罗伯特，没人看到这个产业。
It's invisible. 它是无形的。
The cause is hopeless in secular terms. 从长期来看，我们的事业是无止境的。
The effort is only worth it 这些努力只有在
if it's part of a larger enterprise: 它是一个更大的事业的一部分时，才体现出:
the reconversion of this nation. 让这个国家恢复原状。
To what? 恢复成什么样？
Faith in God,respect for His law. 信仰上帝，尊崇上帝的律法。
That law being? 那现有的法律呢？
Human law, which cannot tolerate the intentional killing 人类的法律，不能容忍故意杀害
of innocent human beings. 无辜的人。
Yeah, but the separation of church and state 没错，但政教分离是
is in the Constitution. 宪法规定的。
That's a common misconception. 这是一个常见的误解。
The Constitution provides freedom of religion, 宪法规定宗教信仰自由，
not separation. 而不是政教分裂。
Our laws are based in God's principle, 我们的律法是以上帝的原则为基础的
"Thou shalt not kill." “汝不可杀生。”
Ellen, you did a great job organizing this. 艾伦，你组织得很好。
Thank you. 谢谢你。
The Ninth Amendment isn't some bottomless pit of rights 第九修正案并不是什么无底限的权利， （尼克松新任命的大法官伦奎斯特）
that we can abuse anytime we find a case confuses us. 当我们发现一个案件让我们困惑的时候，我们可以滥用它。 （尼克松新任命的大法官伦奎斯特）
What part of the Constitution 宪法哪部分
says that a woman does not have a right to an abortion? 规定妇女无权堕胎？
Freedom to choose - too vague.Freedom to choose what? —自由地选择—太模糊了。选择的自由什么？
Prove medically and scientifically 用医学和科学证明
that a new fetus is a-a someone. 一个新胎儿是个人。
Even the doctors say there is human life. 就连医生都说还有一条人命在活着。
Human life from the moment of conception, 人类生命从受孕的那一刻起
in the embryonic state. 就处于胚胎状态。
Yeah, look.You're new to the court, 是的,看。你刚到法庭，
and Mrs. Weddington presents a thought-out argument 而维丁顿夫人提出了一项经过深思熟虑的
for women's rights. 女权主张。
You've been watching too much TV. 你电视看得太多了。
This case has nothing to do with women's rights. 这个案子与妇女权利毫无关系。
Does a woman, a mother, 一个女人，一个母亲
have the right to kill her own child? 有权利杀死自己的孩子吗?
I'll argue that case separately. 我将单独讨论这个问题。
It's not her child, just yet. 现在还不是她的孩子。
Whose child is it? 那他是谁的孩子？
The mother's? Father's?The state's? 母亲的吗?父亲的吗?国家的吗?
You've only just been appointed, 你刚被任命，
and already you're playing into the hands of public opinion. 就已经被公众舆论玩弄于股掌之中。
Byron, get off your high horse 拜伦，别那么趾高气扬了
and make a constitutional decision. 做个符合宪法的决定吧。
I am making a constitutional decision. 我要做一个符合宪法的决定。
She stated on several occasions 她在几个场合表示， （尼克松新任命的大法官：鲍威尔）
that they are dismissing the Hippocratic oath, 他们无视希波克拉底誓言， （尼克松新任命的大法官：鲍威尔）
the very oath 也就是
that says doctors need to protect life. 医生需要保护生命的誓言。
It also states very clearly 它还非常明确地指出，
that a woman should not be given an abortive remedy. 不应给予妇女流产治疗。
That's what you're basing your decision on, 这就是你做出决定的依据，
the Hippocratic oath. 希波克拉底誓言。
It's not 400 B.C. 现在已经不是公元前400年了。
The 1948 Declaration of Geneva 1948年的《日内瓦宣言》
as well as the International Code of Medical Ethics 以及《国际医学道德守则》
both clearly state that doctors must protect life. 都明确规定，医生必须保护生命。
From the point of conception. 从概念的角度来看。
May I remind you, sir, 请允许我提醒你，先生，
you're on the United States Supreme Court, 你是美国最高法院的法官，
not on an international medical board. 而不是国际医学委员会的。
We have an opportunity here to make things right. 我们现在有机会弥补过错。
We have an opportunity here to get things right. 我们现在有机会把事情做对。
I fear if we vote in favor of 我担心如果我们投票支持
removing the rights of the fetus, 剥夺胎儿的权利，
that we are simply blowing this whole thing. 我们会把整件事都搞砸。
Hm-mm.Roe isn't about right or wrong. 嗯-嗯，“罗伊案”不是关于是对，还是错的问题。
It's about what's stated in the law. 它是关于法律的详述的问题。
All due respect, Justice,if you don't realize that, 恕我直言，法官大人，如果你没意识到这一点，
you shouldn't be on the court.Hm? 你就不该出现在法庭上。对吗？
Church and state are separate for a reason. 政教分离原则是有原因的。
It's God's duty to forgive. 宽恕是上帝的责任。
It's ours to rule the law. 我们有管理法律的权利。
This has nothing whatsoever to do with church and state. 这与教会和国家毫无关系。
This is strictly a constitutional matter, 这是严格的宪法问题，
life and liberty. 生命和自由。
Or have you forgotten that? 难道你忘了吗？
Justice? 大法官？
Wade got Robert Flowers to argue. 韦德让罗伯特·弗劳尔斯来辩护。
He was handpicked by the Texas attorney general. 他是由得州检察长亲自挑选的。
How you boys and gals doing? 你们这些男孩和姑娘们都好吗？
Have you seen how the whole media supports Weddington? 你看到媒体是怎么支持维丁顿的了吗？
Well, we better get to work then. 那我们最好开始工作。
I created a moot court based on Griswald and Vuitch. 我以“格里斯沃尔德”和“武伊奇”案为原型，创建了一个模拟法庭。
We can set up and start to fire questions. 我们可以准备发问的火力了。
My boys don't need schooling 我的小伙子们不需要一群
by a bunch of kids from New York City. 来自纽约的孩子来教育。
It's going to be you and your boys 这将是你和你的手下
versus the whole country. 对抗整个国家的诉讼。
Well, don't tell me,I know the law! 那好，别跟我唠叨了，我懂法律！
I know you do.I'm worried. 我知道你懂。我是担心。
"The greatest act of faith is when a man understands “最伟大的信仰行为是，当一个人明白
that he is not God." 他不是上帝的时候。”
Oliver Wendell Holmes. 奥利佛.温德尔.霍姆斯。 （1841-1935曾任最高法院大法官）
It might be a good idea, Henry. 也许是个好主意，亨利。
I'm listening. 那我就听听，
What else you got for us, Bob? 你还有什么要告诉我们的？鲍勃。
I filed with the court to become guardian ad litem 我向法庭申请成为纽约州所有
to all the unborn children in the State of New York. 未出生孩子的法定监护人。
How'd you manage that? 你怎么会想到的？
The unborn has rights in the area of the law 未出生的人在法律领域享有
from probate to criminal. 从遗嘱认证到刑事的权利。
In the Constitution, a person cannot be deprived due process 在宪法中，一个人不能被剥夺正当程序
or denied equal protection. 或被剥夺平等保护。
- Okay. - So, the unborn have a right —好吧。—所以，未出生的孩子
to an attorney just like everybody else in America? 和其他美国人一样有权请律师吧？
It's brilliant! 这太精彩了！
Larry, you convinced me to open a clinic, 拉里，你说服我开一家诊所，
abortion is illegal again in New York. 而在纽约，堕胎又变成非法的。
What are you talking about? 你在说什么呢？
I'm gonna lose everything to that guardian of the unborn. 我会把一切都输给那个未出生孩子的监护人。
I wouldn't worry about it. 我不会担心的。
Guardian of the unborn, 未出生儿童的保护人，
it sounds like a superhero. 听起来像个超级英雄。
How can the Catholics 我倒要看看，那些天主教徒们
use the court to make a law? 如何利用法庭来制定法律？
Well, isn't that what we're going to do? 那不就是我们要做的吗？
You boys are only in favor of abortion 你们支持堕胎只是因为
because it's cheaper than child support. 这比抚养费便宜。
Equality! 男女平等！
Let's not forget, 别忘了，
this is also about population control. 这也是人口控制的问题。
This is about women's rights. 这事关妇女权利。
You're still in love with Margaret Sanger! 你还崇拜着玛格丽特·桑格！
What are you talking about? 你想要说什么？
She opposed abortion.I read her autobiography. 她反对堕胎。我读过她的自传。
Oh, the founder of Planned Parenthood opposed abortion? 哦，“计划生育组织”的创始人会反对堕胎吗？
She'd be for it today. 她如果活到今天，一定会同意的。
She said it was a disgrace to our civilization. 她说过，这是我们文明的耻辱。
Quote, "There should be no killing of babies in the womb," 原话是“不应该杀死子宫里的婴儿，”
end quote. 引用完毕。
I founded this movement. 我创立了这项运动。
- This is about you?- Yeah! —这是关于你自己吗？—是的！
This is about the State of Larry Lader? 这是关于拉里·雷德的统治吗？
Look around you. 看看你周围。
Who do you think is winning your dirty little secret war? 你觉得谁会赢得这场肮脏的秘密战争？
I am looking.Look what I've created. 我在看。看看我创造了什么。
Planned Parenthood and half the doctors “计划生育组织”和一半的医生
pay you referral fees. 会付给你转诊费。
And you have the women of the world to thank for that! 这得感谢全世界的女性！
And how much you getting from your clinic, Doc? 还有你，医生，你从诊所能拿到多少？
Equality! 男女平等！
You haven't touched your food. 你还没碰你的食物。
Hm? 嗯？
Oh, I'm sorry.It's this damn case. 哦。我很抱歉。都怪这该死的案子。
Well, which way are you leaning towards, Dad? 那你会倾向于哪一边呢？爸爸。
I'm not gonna get into any of that. 我不打算说这些事情。
Good try. 我努力做好。
Sally's volunteering at Planned Parenthood. 莎莉在“计划生育组织”当志愿者。
Stop changing the subject. 别转移话题。
Oh, Planned Parenthood, that's-that's great, sweetheart. 哦，“计划生育组织”，那是，那是很不错的，亲爱的。
Now, that's the second justice 现在，有第二个法官的
with a family member working for Planned Parenthood. 家庭成员在“计生组织”工作了。
First Stewart's wife,and now Blackmun's daughter. 第一个是斯图尔特的夫人，接着又是布莱克摩恩的女儿。
Hm. 嗯。
You know, it's not only about abortion. 你知道，这不仅仅是关于堕胎。
Did you see 20,000 women 你看到了有2万名妇女
marching for equality in New York? 在纽约游行争取平等权利吗？
Twenty thousand,is that right? 两万，会有那么多吗？
It's about time we had our own rights. 该是我们拥有自己权利的时候了。
Do you want your daughter to be able to become justice one day? 你希望你的女儿有一天能成为正义的化身吗？
Why... 为什么...
so you're saying 你是想说，
if I vote the other way,I'm voting against women? 如果我投反对票，我就是在反对女性权利吗?
Yes, you are. 是的，你就是。
Just listen to her, Dad.Come on, it's important. 听她的，爸爸。拜托，这很重要。
I'm with the girls. 我和这些女孩站在一条战线上。
Make us proud, Harry. 让我们感到骄傲，哈利。
I know why you gave me this 我知道你为什么给我这个
but you should've let Douglas write it. 但你应该让道格拉斯写的。
After my vote hit the media, 在我的投票被媒体曝光后，
my family almost fell apart over it. 我的家庭几乎分崩离析。
So, you might be changing your vote 所以，你可能会因为你家人发现，
because your family found out?Or was it the media? 而改变你的立场?或者被媒体曝光?
Warren. 沃伦。
You wanted to talk. 你们想聊一会儿。
Yes, I did. 是的，我想。
I wanna see where you stand, Harry. 我想知道你站在哪一方，哈里.
I'm hoping we're on the same page. 我希望我们能在读同一页的书。
Byron, I don't know what page I'm on. 拜伦，我不知道我读到哪页了。
I'm not even sure we're reading from the same book. 我都不确定我们读的是同一本书。
I just-I'm trying to vote along the lines of the Constitution. 我只是想按照宪法的规定来投票。
Does the Bill of Rights allow a woman 《人权法案》允许妇女
to kill her unborn child? 杀死她未出生的孩子吗?
It's a very simple question. 这是个很简单的问题。
No, it's not a simple question. 不，这不是一个简单的问题。
The question is,when does a fetus become a life? 问题是，一个胎儿什么时候成为一个生命？
At the point of conception,Harry. When else? 当然是从怀孕那一刻算，哈里。还有别的吗？
Well, that hasn't been determined yet, has it? 那么，这也还没有定下来，对吧？
And if it had, we wouldn't be having this conflict 如果定下来的话，我们的谈话就不会有
in our conversation. 这样的冲突了。
Sure, Bill. Why don't you just sit down and join us. 当然，比尔。你为什么不坐下来加入我们呢。
What we need to discuss is the right to privacy. 我们需要讨论的是隐私权。
What? 什么？
Listen, our job is to interpret the Constitution. 听着，我们的工作是解释宪法。
Our job is not to create law. 我们的工作不是制定法律。
If you wanna make a new law,you take it up with Congress. 如果你想制定一项新法律，就去找国会。
We already ruled on that.Griswold v. Connecticut. 我们已经裁决过了。在“格里斯沃尔德诉康涅狄格州”案中。
- Unrelated.- Absolutely. —这是不相关的。—绝对是相关的。
- Unrelated.- Absolutely. —无关。—有关。
He-he's right. 哈，他是对的。
Right to privacy between a patient and a doctor. 病人和医生之间的隐私权。
At minimum, Byron,it's something I think 至少，拜伦，我觉得
we should at least consider. 我们至少应该考虑一下。
You take this into consideration, Harry, 你要考虑到这一点，哈里，
you take the risk of embarrassing this court 你要冒着让本法庭难堪的风险
and putting it to a level it has not been 把它推到自从德雷德·斯科特案判决以来
- since the Dred Scott decision.- Oh, come on. —从未有过的高度。—哦，少来这套。
Come on, Bill.So, you wanna enslave women 算了吧，比尔。所以你想通过
by denying them their right to privacy. 剥夺女性的隐私权来奴役她们。
Is that it, Byron? 对不对？拜伦。
That is not what I said. 我不是这么说的。
Well, that's what you're implying. 这就是你想说的。
No, it is not what I'm implying. 不，我不是这个意思。
Wait, guys, guys.Stop being so dramatic. 等一下，伙计们，伙计们。别这么激烈。
And you, you're starting to sound like one of Nixon's boys. 而你，你的语气开始像尼克松的手下了。
Don't forget it was JFK that appointed you. 别忘了是肯尼迪任期内任命你的。
Yes, and it was Kennedy that thought 是的，肯尼迪认为
abortion was repugnant to all Americans. 所有美国人都厌恶堕胎。
六个月后
Here we go again, boys. 我们又要上场了，孩子们。
Certainly,we cannot say that there is 当然，我们不能说
in the Constitution so stated the right to an abortion. 宪法中有明确规定堕胎的权利。
But neither is there stated the right to travel 但宪法中同样也没有明确规定旅行的权利
or some other basic rights that this court has held 或其他一些基本权利，这个法庭一直在遵守着
are under the United States Constitution. 美国宪法来判案的。
I suppose that one of the most important factors 我认为要考虑的最重要的因素之一是，
to consider is,what rights, if any, 未出生的胎儿有什么权利，
does the unborn fetus have. 如果有的话。
That is correct. 这是对的。
I have a question. 我有个问题。
Is it critical to your case that the fetus 根据正当程序条款明确胎儿
not be considered a person under the due process clause? 不被视为“人的存在”，对你的案子至关重要吗?
It seems to me that it is critical 在我看来，至关重要的是
that we prove that this is a fundamental interest 我们要证明这是代表女性的
on behalf of women. 根本利益。
That it is a constitutional right, second... 这是宪法赋予的权力，其次...
Well, would you lose your case if the fetus were a person? 那么，如果胚胎是一个“人的存在”的话，你就会输掉官司吗？
Then you would have a balancing of interests. 然后，你就会做一个利益的平衡。
You're already going to be balancing 你已经在平衡
the interest of the mother 母亲与胎儿之间的
against the interest of the fetus. 互相抵触的利益了。
That is correct, Your Honor. 是这样的，大人。
If it were established that the unborn fetus 如果未出生的胎儿
is protected under the Constitution, 受到宪法的保护，
you would have an impossible case, Mrs. Weddington. 那你的案子就不可能成立了，威丁顿夫人。
I would have a very difficult case. 那我就接受了一桩很棘手的案子。
It's impossible for me to trace, 在分配给我的时间内，
within my allocated time, 我不可能描绘出
the development of a fetus from the date of its conception 一个胎儿从受孕到出生的
to the date of its birth. 发育过程。
But it's the position of the State of Texas 但是，站在得克萨斯州宪法的立场上，
that upon conception, 从中我们得到了
we have a human being. 一个“人”的概念。
A person with the concept 在美国宪法和
of the Constitution of the United States 在得州宪法中所赋予的，
and that of Texas as well. “人”的概念是一样的。
Any person born or naturalized in the United States hasn't. 任何一个在美国出生或入籍的人并没有
No, that's not the definition of a person, 没有，那不是一个“人”的定义，
that's the definition of a citizen. 而是一个“公民”的定义。
It's so fundamental 它是如此得基本，
that the framers of the Constitution 以至于当时的宪法制定者们
had not even set out to define it. 没有陈述来定义它。
And even Blackstone was quoted in 1765, 就连布莱克斯通在1765年也说过，
"This right is inherent in every individual “这是每个人天生的权利，
and exists even before the child is born." 甚至在孩子出生前就存在了。”
Is it not true 难道以下事实不真实的吗？
or is it that the,medical profession itself 就连医学界的专业人员，对于生命
is not in agreement as to when life begins? 从何时开始的说法，都存在分歧。
Medically speaking, we would say that from the chromosomes, 我们可以这么说，从医学上讲的染色体上看，
every potential of anybody here in this room 在座各位的每一个人的潜在可能性
is present at the moment of conception. 在受孕时就都存在了。
Right. So, what you're speaking about is a potential life. 没错，你说的是，潜在的可能的“生命”。
Yes, sir. 是的，先生。
With which everyone can agree on. 正如人所共知。
Just one moment. 请停一下。
If you're correct that the fetus is a person, 如果照你说的，胎儿是“人”，
then I suppose the state would have a great trouble 那我想，政府对于允许堕胎，
permitting an abortion,wouldn't it? 就有大麻烦了，对不对？
This court has been diligent 这个法庭已经在致力于
in protecting the rights of minorities. 保护这些少数群体的权利。
And gentlemen, we say this is a minority, 先生们，我们说这些少数群体，
a silent minority, 是沉默的少数，
the true silent minority. 是真正沉默的少数群体。
Who is speaking for these children? 谁来为这些孩子们发言？
Who is counsel for these children? 谁来为这些孩子们辩护？
These unborn children, 这些未出生的孩子，
whose lives are being taken. 他们的生命正在被拿走。
Where is the safeguard 由陪审团审判的
of a trial by jury? 保障在哪里?
For Roe? 那就都赞成“罗伊”了？
From the CBS News headquarters in New York, 来自位于纽约的哥伦比亚广播公司总部的消息，
this is the CBS Evening News 现在是哥伦比亚广播公司的晚间新闻，
with Walter Cronkite and Eric Sevareid in New York, 消息来自在纽约的记者沃尔特.克朗凯特和埃里克.萨瓦莱德，
George Hermann in Washington, 和来自华盛顿的记者乔治.赫尔曼
Leslie Stahl in Washington,Fred P. Graham in Atlanta, 华盛顿的莱斯利·斯塔尔，亚特兰大的弗雷德·p·格雷厄姆
Peter Calisher in Paris,Tom Fenton in Paris, 来自巴黎的彼得.Calisher和汤姆.芬顿，
Robert Schakne in Des Moines. 来自得梅因的记者罗伯特.Schakne。
And tonight, a CBS Evening News special report, 而今晚的CBS晚间新闻特别报道是，
"The Energy Crisis." “能源危机。”
Good evening. 晚上好。
In a landmark ruling, 在一项具有里程碑意义的裁决中
the Supreme Court today legalized abortions. 最高法院今天将堕胎合法化。
The majority in cases for Texas and Georgia 在得克萨斯州和佐治亚州的大多数案例中，
said that the decision to end a pregnancy 决定是否在前三个月
during the first three months belongs to the woman 终止妊娠的是孕妇本人和
and her doctor,not the government. 她的医生，而不是政府。
The Roe decision allows a woman to have an abortion at any time, 在“罗伊案件”的判决允许妇女，在任何时候堕胎，
not just the first three months. 而不仅仅是孕期前三个月。
Cronkite and the media lied about that. 克朗凯特和媒体在这方面撒了谎。
But they said it doesn't have the same rights as a person. 但他们说，这里不存在“人”和作为人应享有的权利。
Let me ask you,if you found out today 我问你，如果你今天发现
that you were pregnant and I killed you, 你怀孕了而我杀了你，
should I go to jail for murdering one person or two? 我是不是应该因为杀了一个人而进监狱，还是杀了两个人?
Uh... 呃...
Most states would consider it a double homicide, 大多数州认为这是双重谋杀，
hence considering the unborn a person. 因此将未出生的胎儿视为一个人。
With that logic, why isn't abortion considered homicide? 按照这种逻辑，为什么堕胎不被认为是他杀？
The Supreme Court allowed the Sierra Club 最高法院曾经受理了“塞拉环保俱乐部”
to sue the Walt Disney Mineral Park 起诉沃尔特.迪士尼矿物公园的案件，
on behalf of inanimate objects. 为了替“无生命物体”主张利益。
Justice Douglas argued 当时，道格拉斯法官论证，
that trees should be granted personhood, 那些树木也应被赋予人格化，
that rivers, lakes,and even pupfish have rights. 那些河流，那些湖泊，甚至那些鳉鱼都有自己的权利。
Somebody read me the constitutional amendment 有人给我读一下宪法修正案里面有哪一条，
that states that we have the right to kill an unborn child. 说我们有权杀死未出生的孩子。
Sir, 先生，
it was just voted seven to two. 这已经被大法官们投票了，7：2。
The justices replaced the framers' choices 那些法官们因为自己的偏见，
for personal predilections. 偷换了宪法制定者的选择。
But we have a right to privacy. 但我们有隐私权。
Where in the Constitution does it state 宪法里哪条有说
that we have that right? 我们有这个权利？
It doesn't,and even if we did, 它原本就没有，即使我们非要说有，
privacy is not an absolute right, 隐私不是一个绝对的权利，
so it can always be governed by other rights. 所以它总是可以被其他权利所支配的。
But the right to choose is more important than a fetus. 但是选择的权利比胎儿更重要。
Why would you say that? 为什么你要这么说？
A fetus is not a person,and I am. 胎儿并不是和我本人一样的“人”。
So, what does a fetus become? 那胎儿成了什么了？
A fetus has the DNA of a person. 一个胎儿也有和人一样的DNA。
It's created by people. 他是由人创造出来的。
Left to nature,that fetus becomes a person. 凭借着自然的力量，那个胎儿会变成“人”的。
Dr. Taylor,call the operator, please. 泰勒医生，请接总机。
Dr. Taylor,call the operator. 泰勒医生，请接总机。
Dr. Nathanson? 内森桑医生？
I'm sorry. Can I help you? 对不起，我能帮你做什么？
A butchery. 你是个屠夫。
Excuse me? 再说一遍？
You know that even a safe abortion 你应该知道，即使是安全的堕胎，
can make a woman sterile. 也可能导致妇女无法生育。
Mildred Jefferson, right? 你就是米德莉德.杰弗逊吧？
Dr. Mildred Jefferson. 米尔德里德.杰佛逊医生。
Are you lost? 你失去控制了吗？
Yes. 是的。
Yes. Actually, I am. Very. 是的。实际上，我非常。
How do you do what you do,and live in good conscience? 你怎么就能问心无愧地做你现在做的事情？
I have given abortions 我为我的朋友们
to my friends, 做堕胎术，
my colleagues,even my teachers. 他们有我的同事，甚至还有我的老师。
I've never had a shred of self-doubt. 我从未有过一丝自我怀疑。
And I've never wavered. 我从未动摇过。
So, you feel nothing? 那你就跟没事人一样吗？
Just a sense of accomplishment and pride of expertise. 只有一种成就感和专业的自豪感。
You see. 你瞧。
When my girlfriend got pregnant and I couldn't afford to have 假如我的女朋友怀孕了，我又没有钱供抚养
a child,I not only demanded 一个孩子的时候，我不仅要求她
that she terminate the pregnancy but I also informed her, 终止妊娠，还告诉她，
since I was the most skilled practitioner of the art, 因为我是最熟练的从业者，
I myself would do the abortion. 我自己来做堕胎。
And I did. 我就是这么做的。
Are you sure you wanna do this? 你确定要这么做吗?
Doctor... 大夫...
If you don't wanna be here,you can leave. 如果你不想呆在这里，你可以离开。
On your own child? 对你自己的孩子吗？
I mean, why do you give life 我是说，你为什么要给那些
to those with no future? 没有未来的人生命？
Aren't you tired of creating new souls 你难道不厌倦，没计划地创造
that end up with no purpose? 新生灵吗？
I mean,you must be bored, right? 我是说，你一定很厌倦了，对吧?
Or are you just like 或者，你只是喜欢
playing games? 玩这场游戏？
I've killed babies 我是为了更多的善，
for the greater good. 才杀了那些孩子。
I've killed babies in the name of saving women. 为了拯救女人，我还杀过孩子。
And I've killed babies because they were unwanted. 因为他们是不想被出生的，所以我杀了他们。
You're a liar! 你是个说谎者！
You did this,you led me down this path. 是你做了这些，是你引领我走上这条路的。
You didn't want them. 因为你不想要他们。
That's the truth. 这就是实情。
Because you wanna know why? 你想知道为什么吗？
I'm not the one who's supposed to be perfect, you are. 因为我是凡夫俗子，你才应该是完美无瑕的。
But I have done my best.I have worked my hardest. 但我已经尽力了。我已经尽了最大的努力。
I have served humanity.You've watched me. 我已经在为人类服务了，你都看到了。
Hm? 嗯？
Maybe you're just willing but not able. 也许你只有意愿而没有能力。
And so you're just not omnipotent. 所以你不是万能的。
Or, are you able and not willing and malevolent? 或者，你有能力，但不愿意，或者心怀恶意？
I don't think it's either. 我认为两者都不是。
The truth is, you are neither willing nor able. 事实是，你既不愿意也不能。
So, why do I need to call you God? 所以，为什么我要叫你“上帝”？
Have you seen these new high-tech ultrasounds? 你听说过这种高科技的“超声波显影”吗？
In the '70s before Roe, 在“罗伊案”之前的七十年代，
no one had this technology. 没人听说过，还有这种技术。
Not I, not the courts. 连我没有听说，法庭就更不会了。
This would change everything,especially for me. 这会改变一切，尤其是对我来说。
No, but I hear the new imaging is great. 没有，但我听说新显影技术很伟大。
You know what,it helps a lot with accuracy. 你知道吗，这对准确性有很大帮助。
Let's go try it out. 让我们试试吧。
Are you okay? 你没事吧？
It is a person. 这是一个人啊。
It's a person. 这是一个人。
God, forgive me.What have I done? 上帝，原谅我吧。我都干了些什么？
I-I'm so sorry, God. 上帝，我，我很抱歉。
I'm so sorry. 我很抱歉。
Please, I want her back. 求你了，我想让她回来。
I killed my own daughter. 我杀了我自己的女儿。
12年后
Doctor.Phil McCombs, Washington Post. 医生。我是菲尔·麦克库姆，来自《华盛顿邮报》。
Thank you. Good to see you. 谢谢你！很高兴见到你。
Thank you for taking the time. 谢谢你抽出时间来。
So, when you take them out,you don't see anything? 那么，当你把它们取出来的时候，你什么都看不到？
No, you don't see anything. 是的，什么都看不到。
I-I-I mean, 我，我想说，
of all the thousands of second trimester abortions 在我做过的成千上万次的
that I've done, I mean,maybe I've seen 中期流产手术中，我是说，也许我
half a dozen. 只见过五、六次。
But didn't it bother you when you did? 但当你这么做的时候，你没有感到困扰吗？
No, not particularly.It was the end product, 不,不是特别。它是最终的产物，
a lifeless limp thing lying there. 一个毫无生气的柔软的东西躺在那里。
They have a human form. 它们有人形。
Oh, absolutely. 噢，那是肯定有的。
I-I-I'm sorry.I'm a little bit confused. 我，我抱歉，我有点儿搞不懂了。
First you said,"All you see is bloody meat." 一开始你说“你看到的都是一团血肉。”
Hm-mm. 嗯-嗯。
But now you're saying you always knew it was a person. 但现在你又说你一直都知道那是个人。
So Doctor, 那么，医生，
which one is it? 哪一个是真实的？
I knew all along. 我以前一直都知道
Life exists at conception. 生命存在于观念之中。
I mean, I'd taken part in over 70,000 abortions. 我是说，我参与了七万多次堕胎手术。
I'd seen other sonograms. 我看过其他的超声波图。
I knew in my heart what I was doing was wrong. 我心里知道我所做的是错的。
And I lied. 而我撒了谎。
I lied to the world.I lied to God. 我对全世界撒谎。我对上帝撒谎了。
More importantly.I lied to me. 更重要的是。我骗了我自己。
But I kept on killing. 但我一直在杀戮。
Until I had the courage to face the reality 直到我有勇气面对现实，
of the absolute horror of what I was doing. 我所做的绝对是可怕的。
I had been an atheist, 我曾经是个无神论者，
so my opinions on abortion were not influenced by religion. 所以我对堕胎的看法不受宗教的影响。
And when life gave me more than I could stand, I chose to kneel. 当生活让我无法承受时，我选择了下跪。
自从罗伊诉韦德案后，6100万胎儿被流产掉。
孕妇中40%是非洲裔美国妇女。
在美国每30秒就有一名儿童被流产掉。
“堕胎已经把母亲们与她们的孩子们，妇女们与男人们处于相互对立的境地， 它在人类心中认为是最初的关系中，播下了暴力与不和谐的种子。” （摘自特蕾莎嬷嬷写给联邦最高法院的信）
“计生组织”去年募集了16亿美元的资金
鈾?There's a fortune In abortion 鈾? 堕胎行业中有笔财富
鈾?Just a twist of the wrist And you're through 鈾? 只你要熟练，你就能赚到
Oooh!
鈾?The population Of the nation 鈾? 国家的人口
鈾?Won't grow If it's left up to you 鈾? 因为有你，而不会增长
鈾?There's a fortune In abortion 鈾? 堕胎行业中有笔财富
鈾?There's a gold mine In the sex line 鈾? 在性的行业中，有个金矿
鈾?Only rabbits Have those habits 鈾? 只要有像兔子一样的习性
鈾?Oh, there's a fortune In abortion 鈾? 堕胎行业中有笔财富
鈾?You never bother The future father 鈾? 你永远不会困扰，那些未来的父亲
The mass of Negroes,particularly in the South, 广大的黑人，尤其是南方的黑人， （玛格丽特.桑格尔 “计生组织”创始人）
still breed carelessly and disastrously. 依然在无所谓地、成灾难性地生育。 （玛格丽特.桑格尔 “计生组织”创始人）
《玛格丽特.桑格尔自传》中第366页写道：“我接受了邀请，去和三K党妇女分部会谈... 透过门缝，我隐约看到了旗帜和照亮的十字架。”
The result that the increase among Negroes, 结果是黑人的人数增加了，
more than among whites, 在人口比例上，
is that portion of the population 变得比白人多了，
least intelligent and fit. 但他们却是，最不聪明的和最不健康的。
In our country,there's been one group 在我们国家，有一个
associated with reactionary politics, 与反动政治、
behind-the-scenes manipulations,and backward ideas. 在幕后操纵和具有落后思想有关的团体。
Wait, not the Catholics again? 等一下，不会又是什么天主教会吧？
Of course, the Catholics. 当然，就是天主教会。
Catholic and fundamentalist churches 天主教和原教旨主义教派
have constantly violated the law. 经常违反法律。
Violations which breach the wall separating the church and state. 他们用违法来打破政教分离的隔墙。
The justices cited Larry's book 法官们在他们的判决中 （拉里.莱德尔,1981年）
seven times in their decision,citing no other legal historian. 七次引用了拉里的书，没有引用其他法律历史学家。 （拉里.莱德尔,1981年）
Jane Roe became known to the world as Norma McCorvey. “简·罗伊”这个匿名，也使得诺玛·麦考维闻名于世。
And when she learned the truth that having an abortion 当她得知堕胎是
was killing a baby and not passing a period 在杀死一个婴儿，而且不像月经
or removing a bunch of cells,she became pro-life. 或排除一堆细胞时，她变得反对堕胎。
See, the truth is, she herself never even had an abortion. 实际上，她自己都没做过堕胎。
They lied to me. 他们都骗了我。
I didn't go to the Supreme Court for a bunch of women. 我当时不会因为一群妇女就会上最高法院的。
Who lied to you? 谁骗了你？
Sarah Weddington. 萨拉.维丁顿。
I asked her if she knew where to get an abortion 我问她是否知道去哪里堕胎，
and she and Linda told me that they didn't. 她和琳达告诉我说，她们也不知道。
She knew where. 她当时知道去哪里做。
Could you elaborate? 你能说得再详细一些吗？
Sarah had an abortion in Mexico. 萨拉自己在墨西哥做过流产。
They were just looking for somebody to use. 她们只是想找个可以利用的人。
Do you feel what you did was wrong? 你觉得你做错了吗？
You never had an abortion, did you? I mean... 你从没堕过胎，对吧?我的意思是……
No. No, sir.I never had an abortion. 是的，是的，先生，我从未堕过胎。 （诺玛.麦考维，1995年）
You carried your child to full term. 你是足月产子的。 （诺玛.麦考维，1995年）
Yes, sir, I did. 是的，先生，我足月生产。 （诺玛.麦考维，1995年）
You wanted an abortion. 你当时想要流产吗？
Yes, sir, I did. 是的，先生。我当时想。
And in a sense,you were angry at one point 从某种意义上说，你曾经对莎拉·维丁顿很生气
at Sarah Weddington for not letting you get one 因为她没有让你得到一个，
because it didn't suit their purposes at that time. 因为那不符合她们当时的目的。
They needed you to be pregnant, right? 他们需要你怀孕，对吧？
They needed their plaintiff to be pregnant, 他们需要有一名怀孕的原告，
it is exactly right. 完全正确。
But see, what really was the tell-in of the whole schmeil 但是你瞧，当时我还蒙在鼓里，
was the fact that when Sarah Weddington came out 但真相是在萨拉.维丁顿出版了她的书之后，
with her book, I don't know,two or three years ago, 书中写道，原来早在两年前，
she told in her book that she had an abortion 她就跑到墨西哥，
and she went to Mexico. 做了人流。
And when I sat across that table at Colombo's Pizza 当时我们就面对面，坐在得州达拉斯的哥伦布
here in Dallas, Texas and I asked her, 披萨店的餐桌前，我问她，
I said, "Sarah, do you know 我说，“萨拉，你知道
where I can go and get an abortion?" 我能去哪里做人工流产吗？”
And she said, "No."Well, she lied to me. 而她却说，“不知道。”显然，这丫头骗了我。
Some justices 有几位法官
were leaking to the press. 当时泄露给新闻媒体。
Some had family members working for Planned Parenthood. 有些人的家人为“计划生育组织”工作。
Burger and other justices then changed their vote 之后，由于公众的抗议和家庭的压力，
because of public outcry and family pressure. 伯格和其他法官改变了他们的投票。
Dr. Mildred Jefferson became the president 米尔德丽德·杰斐逊博士成“国家生命权组织”
of National Right to Life, 的主席，
and an influence on President Reagan 并对里根总统的
becoming pro-life. 反堕胎运动产生了影响。
I produced a documentarycalled The Silent Scream 我制作了一部名叫《无声的尖叫》纪录片，
where 18 days before you even miss your period 在你错过月经前18天，
and realize you're pregnant,there is a heartbeat. 并意识到自己怀孕了的时候，就会有胎心跳动了。
At ten weeks, when you go to abort your baby, 十周后，当你要打掉孩子时，
she will actually feel the pain of having her limbs torn off. 她会感到四肢被扯掉的疼痛。
This is the silent scream 这是一个濒临死亡的孩子的
of a child threatened imminently with extinction. 无声的尖叫。
翻译：hardstick 校订：hardstick